He is a very successful terrorist. I would not be surprised if he is used as a model for others. For this reason among others, This trial needs to be careful. Timothy Mc Veigh was a similar case. He was deemed sane and executed.
"Psssh. Even if you could catch a miracle on a picture any person would probably delete it to make space for more porn." - AszurMc Veigh had white supremacist and christian identity motivations. Different method, same motivations, justifications, and beliefs.
He planned his attack as revenge for the execution of the CSA assassin Gordon Kahl which was the same day as the bombing (April 19, 1995) which was the 10 year anniversary of the Waco tragedy (Mc Veigh also deplored) and the anniversary of the seige of the CSA compound and the 210th anniversary of the "shot heard around the world" that started the Revolutionary War.
Both of these men believe in conspiracy theories and racist ideals. Both were smart and calculated. Both hold no remorse and wished they could have killed more.
It's at least worth considering the similarities between the two as well as other terrorists who may not have been sentenced to death so that the best decision possible can be made.
"Psssh. Even if you could catch a miracle on a picture any person would probably delete it to make space for more porn." - AszurHere is the thing, they aren't studying the right thing. Religious studies scholars have tried to get the chance to study how religious or idealogical based terrorism works. But trying to get the sanction or even material from the authorities is atrocious. What makes these two men the same? Different? Mc Veigh was given a closed execution quietly. Kahl was made a martyr with a public execution. How were details of the cases shared with the public before and after? How did this affect people as well as possible copycats?
People have been killing other people for as long as we have existed. But that doesn't mean we should just throw our hands in the air and let everyone just decend into chaos.
"Psssh. Even if you could catch a miracle on a picture any person would probably delete it to make space for more porn." - AszurAbout Brevik being let out of prison. If it happens he is going to need to change his identity. He is the biggest monster in Norway in living memory; he won't be able to walk the streets under his old name. He will need witness protection and near constant surveillance; for his safety as much as society's. Thus I find the idea of him getting out and plotting shit again to be a tad far fetched.
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.Thread Hop: umm... Why is there any disscuion on this again? It not like there is any doubt he is guilty.
edited 24th Apr '12 4:08:25 PM by joeyjojo
hashtagsarestupidI find it interesting. Hearing his reasoning, his "logic" is just fascinating. To discover that there are people this dumb and this violent really kills your belief in humanity.
Is using "Julian Assange is a Hillary butt plug" an acceptable signature quote?The explicit point is that his sanity needs to be determined (his fate is either jail or an institution, but which requires a full court trial to determine - psychiatric reports have found both ways so far) and he needs to be given the chance to express his attitude towards things. This is the only way the truth will ever be known about what happened, and that's essential for dealing with it properly. Obviously we know the basics, but only through getting inside his head (not with a high powered drill, before anyone suggests that) will we gain true understanding of it. The families of the victims, some at least, will want that, and presumbly other interested parties will have use of such information.
Many times in history, that a person has committed certain deeds has been beyond the doubting - Saddam Hussein's various atrocities for a prominent recent example - but they still need to be trialled. Justice doesn't disappear because a person's crimes are particularly serious; quite the opposite in fact - in such cases it just as or more important that the law be upheld by those enforcing it.
My name is Addy. Please call me that instead of my username.... Your Mileage May Vary on that one. What he did was terrible, yes, but the Anders Breiviks of the world are just as much a part of the bellcurve of humanity as the Mother Theresas are.
Anyway, you can't start making exceptions and saying "well the people who are clearly guilty don't actually need trials because everyone knows they're guilty". That would be terrible.
edited 24th Apr '12 6:32:47 PM by LoniJay
Be not afraid...It will be lengthened so long as he is still a threat and a risk. So presumably yes, if his attitude and mental state then are as they are now, though a lot can happen in 21 years. I'm not impressed at those who seemingly take Norwegian professionals in this area as complete muppets who would believe any lies he told them, at any rate. They know the situation, will know it then, and will make, I'm sure, an accurate judgement. If he's judged insane though, I'd say it's incredibly unlikely he will have any chance at release.
edited 24th Apr '12 6:48:34 PM by CaissasDeathAngel
My name is Addy. Please call me that instead of my username.@Octo: Regardless of your views on abortion (I'm pro-choice) and other controversial issues, it's ridiculous to condemn someone who gave her entire life in service to her faith and to those less fortunate, purely because she didn't share your set of opinions. To compare her to this mass murderer as two terrible people is downright offensive.
Except for 4/1/2011. That day lingers in my memory like...metaphor here...I should go.![]()
I think he might be referring to criticism of Mother Theresa that have nothing to do
with her opinions
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edited 24th Apr '12 7:21:11 PM by RadicalTaoist
Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.OK, geez, I used the first name that popped into my head for 'famous saintly person'. Feel free to substitute any famous do-gooder of your choice.
Let's not have a Mother Theresa derail.
My point is, I think putting people like this in a little box and labelling it as "Not Human; feel free not to worry about it any more" is a bad idea.
edited 24th Apr '12 7:36:48 PM by LoniJay
Be not afraid...

But if they did exist there could be a threat of another strike. Which wouldn't be good. Pretty sure they're imaginary/Breivik trying to make people paranoid.
Laws are made to be broken. You're next, thermodynamics.