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Edited by SeptimusHeap on Sep 10th 2022 at 11:50:32 AM

SeptimusHeap MOD from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#12501: Jul 15th 2017 at 8:02:49 AM

Is there a reason why all the cut items on the completed CVR which have already been cut are still in the queue?

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
DrPsyche Avatar by Leafsnake from Hawaii Since: May, 2012
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#12502: Jul 15th 2017 at 11:52:05 AM

I'll send Dragon Ranger to the cutlist now.

Adannor (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#12503: Jul 15th 2017 at 11:59:31 AM

I've checked the Related examples on a couple entries, chopped a handful (mostly examples retelling the torture details of that Fairy Tail fic), and threw the entries into fully-done.

That pedofurry comic has a ton of examples that I'd like to review for pornyness later on so please nobody "done" it.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#12504: Jul 15th 2017 at 12:48:09 PM

I've processed Dragon Ranger.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
DrPsyche Avatar by Leafsnake from Hawaii Since: May, 2012
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#12505: Jul 15th 2017 at 1:42:07 PM

[up] Thanks. Should I click the checkmark box and hit close?

Lightmaster Since: Apr, 2012
#12506: Jul 17th 2017 at 3:56:50 PM

Alright, I've been checking the second episode of Angel's 3Piece!, and in the first part it was clarified the part of the innuendo by saying they want him to touch their instrument, but then, it seems like an objectionable part came like 5:45 minutes into the episode. And now it seems like it's having some skeevy thoughts about her little sister, and that character even lampshaded it. I think that's going to be a turn-off and a clear red flag.

There were innuendos here and there, and even... ugh... skeevy suits in the little girls... and panties in the tsundere girl... isn't that even more of a red flag already? I dunno.

I only checked the chapter in a quick pace, so maybe someone else can confirm or deny what I said?

edited 17th Jul '17 3:57:43 PM by Lightmaster

Pyrite Until further notice from Right. Beneath. You. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Hiding
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#12507: Jul 17th 2017 at 8:18:11 PM

I was wondering where to break out the Tenshi no 5P joke.tongue

Only skimmed through said episode - thank you, Bile Fascination - but will concur with the above poster's assessment. Formal review will be required at some point soon. 2 episodes might be a bit premature to draw definitive conclusions (as an aside, when was the last time P5 reviewed an ongoing work?) but given what's been seen so far, it's definitely concerning and unless the trend abates soon, it's going to go into full-on paedopandering territory. (I'm being too nice here, tbh - the only thing that keeps it out of "definitely paedopandering" territory is the possibility of Early-Installment Weirdness / sampling error.)

For historical context on some recent points raised, although I'm not in a position to speak for P5 / site admins at this point in time:

  • Formal licensing by a mainstream distributor to the Western market, while an initial consideration as far as legality is concerned, does not necessarily guarantee a pass by site standards.
  • I was the one who reviewed the Chu-Bra manga back when we were first starting out. You can see the arguments for and against it if you refer to the linked posts in one of the sticky threads, but in the end it boiled down to 1.) 12-year-olds and 2.) Too many inappropriate artistic choices e.g. half-page panty shots.
  • Creator's gender is not a major consideration in the evaluation of a work: for example, the author of Kodomo no Jikan is a woman.
  • Requests to review a decision can be made. I don't think specific rules have been set in stone, but it's usually accepted that requests for re-evaluation should only be made if additional new information is being brought to the table (e.g. censored releases), or if a work was not properly evaluated prior to cutting (e.g. before P5 was formally established).

edited 17th Jul '17 9:27:01 PM by Pyrite

Not a substitute for a formal medical consultation.
ThriceCharming Since: Nov, 2013
#12508: Jul 17th 2017 at 10:32:11 PM

I'm not 100% clear on how this place works, but I'm looking at the bizarro fiction page and there's a lot of stuff there that I think is objectionable in a way that might/should interest the admins.

I'm thinking of two in particular: Holey Matrimony (its page makes it sound like it's either pure porn or Excuse Plot porn) and—sigh—The Vagina Ass of Lucifer Niggerbastard, which needless to say is full of explicit sexual content and uncensored racial epithets. There's also something called The Ass Goblins of Auschwitz that describes children's corpses being turned into sex dolls.

(Also, if there's a mechanism for flagging pages from the page itself, I couldn't find it. I think this is my first time reporting something.)

DrPsyche Avatar by Leafsnake from Hawaii Since: May, 2012
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#12509: Jul 17th 2017 at 10:34:22 PM

Hey Thrice, welcome to P5. The report button is on the box where the page is said to have been created.

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/screen_shot_2017_07_17_at_73311_pm.png

Here:

edited 17th Jul '17 10:34:31 PM by DrPsyche

ThriceCharming Since: Nov, 2013
#12510: Jul 17th 2017 at 10:47:44 PM

Thanks for the tip. I'll go ahead and file those reports.

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#12511: Jul 18th 2017 at 12:12:30 AM

...May the Force be with whoever has to analyze that second one.

Adannor (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#12512: Jul 18th 2017 at 12:19:53 AM

By the looks of the sheer amount of events and the described shortness of the book, it is going to be just lame point-list rather than getting down into nitty gritty descriptions. Really dulls the impact, ya know.

Same goes for the assgoblins, it sounds like just shoving shock-content with minimal dedicated effort.

edited 18th Jul '17 12:21:51 AM by Adannor

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#12513: Jul 18th 2017 at 6:56:43 AM

Feeling emboldened by the fact that, however strange my request may be it can't possibly top The Vagina Ass Of Lucifer Niggerbastard or The Ass Goblins of Auschwitz, I want to revisit my post from the last page and get an okay to make a page for Omujo! Omutsu Joshi. Content wise, it's relatively tame, I don't think it even really tops High School D×D, mentioned a bit later, but a harem series where the harem's girls all wear diapers is so potentially flaggable I wanted to get an Okay (or at least "not a no") ahead of time.

I made a sandbox for it to see how a proper page might look. I admit the premise is a lot more prevalent than I realized at first, so I can see why a no may come up. If I get a no, I'll cut the sandbox, no harm no foul.

edited 18th Jul '17 6:57:16 AM by sgamer82

Assassin-sensei Since: Jun, 2014
#12514: Jul 18th 2017 at 7:58:55 AM

On the subject of Omujo! Omutsu Joshi, there are much skeevier works on the site. I'm not a 5P member, but I personally think it would be fine to create the page. If it gets flagged, I imagine the whole 5P will look at it and make a conclusive decision.

Adannor (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#12515: Jul 18th 2017 at 8:34:04 AM

I did post about my taking a look at it in here, right?

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#12516: Jul 18th 2017 at 8:39:13 AM

Yeah. But I wasn't sure if that was a yay or nay

edited 18th Jul '17 8:39:45 AM by sgamer82

carbon-mantis Collector Of Fine Oddities from Trumpland Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Married to my murderer
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#12517: Jul 18th 2017 at 9:27:23 AM

Though, works catering to weirder sexual fetishes like that seem to tend to attract unwanted detail in their examples. If greenlit, an iron stomached soul might have to occasionally make sure someone's not turning it into their wank list like a few other works and tropes had become in the past.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#12518: Jul 18th 2017 at 9:35:40 AM

That's one reason I did the sandbox. To make sure I could at least trust myself to do that.

DrPsyche Avatar by Leafsnake from Hawaii Since: May, 2012
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#12519: Jul 18th 2017 at 2:42:37 PM

Alright, looking over the petition to restore the Baldr Sky's page, as well as a look into the work itself, and I'm voting Angelhead. While I do wish there was a clean version ala Fate or the other visual novels we have up, as is, the sex scenes seem to be a minority in the work itself. The character designs definitely run into that aesthetic where the ages can be hard to judge, but as is I'm going to say that the debated characters do look like young adults. Though I agree with the restoration's ideas on making sure the page doesn't attract people chatting about their fetishes.

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#12520: Jul 19th 2017 at 1:50:31 AM

I can put it on my watchlist after it's restored. I haven't read it yet but I can at least keep the inappropriate edits out in the meantime.

edited 19th Jul '17 1:53:33 AM by Arha

Assassin-sensei Since: Jun, 2014
#12521: Jul 19th 2017 at 8:08:27 AM

[up][up] Sekai Project has the license and has a "Coming to Steam" notice on the official website, so there will likely be a clean version soon.

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#12522: Jul 23rd 2017 at 3:11:58 PM

Baldr Sky seems to have been zapped from the reports page, but the page isn't actually back yet.

DrPsyche Avatar by Leafsnake from Hawaii Since: May, 2012
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#12523: Jul 24th 2017 at 12:32:09 AM

How do we restore the page? Bring it up here?

SeptimusHeap MOD from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#12524: Jul 24th 2017 at 12:43:41 AM

You can ask here, but I don't see an item in the to-do CVR about Baldr Sky...

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Adannor (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#12525: Jul 24th 2017 at 2:02:24 AM

The petitions thread is for us to discuss whether to do it, action itself is done by calling in the moderators proper.

If somebody zapped it accidentally, well, all we can do is just redo the thing.


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