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The sub-forum is used for discussions that adjudicate possible violations of The Content Policy. Threads here can be created by flagging a page through the sidebar "report" button and toggling "The page may violate the Content Policy".

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Edited by SeptimusHeap on Sep 10th 2022 at 11:50:32 AM

Willbyr Hi (Y2K) Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
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#12001: Mar 30th 2016 at 5:09:54 AM

Brought him in for a chat. Good catch. [tup]

AbstractIndigo Since: Mar, 2011
#12002: Apr 6th 2016 at 5:57:33 PM

Uh, given that Your Human And You has been given the go ahead to be cut, it's kind of... not cut.

TotemicHero No longer a forum herald from the next level Since: Dec, 2009
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#12003: Apr 6th 2016 at 7:02:51 PM

It's on the P5 tool list of "resolved but not done".

Expergiscēre cras, medior quam hodie. (Awaken tomorrow, better than today.)
war877 Grr... <3 from Untamed Wilds Since: Dec, 2015 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Grr... <3
#12004: Apr 14th 2016 at 3:35:01 AM

[up][up]Okay, there is something really fishy going on with that one. a) The site has policies on pedophilia and porn without plot, but not bestiality. b) I can find no record of a discussion concerning that work anywhere.

TotemicHero No longer a forum herald from the next level Since: Dec, 2009
No longer a forum herald
#12006: Apr 14th 2016 at 6:02:23 AM

THE P5 AS YOU THOUGHT YOU KNEW THEM NO LONGER EXIST.

Okay, enough jokes. There was a brief discussion about the original flagging here. No discussion on the voting, but despite having not read the fanfic myself, I can see why it was voted to be cut from looking at the page. It tells me that no effort was made to age Twilight Sparkle or certain other characters up in any way, making this a straight pedo case - no bestiality involved.

edited 14th Apr '16 6:02:37 AM by TotemicHero

Expergiscēre cras, medior quam hodie. (Awaken tomorrow, better than today.)
Adannor (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#12007: Apr 14th 2016 at 6:14:22 AM

Ookay, a little reminder on the show: Twilight Sparkle and most other major characters are adults. The portion of the cast that is in elementary school are called fillies.

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#12008: Apr 14th 2016 at 6:19:25 AM

Technically, Twilight and co. (as well as their peers) are kind of in a limbo age-wise, but the lower limit of the age range is at worst mid-to-late teens. And yeah, the pony equivalent of prepubescents are called fillies, and are way smaller than the main cast (like, they're about 25%-30% of their total size, based purely on visual estimates).

edited 14th Apr '16 6:20:03 AM by MarqFJA

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TotemicHero No longer a forum herald from the next level Since: Dec, 2009
No longer a forum herald
#12009: Apr 14th 2016 at 6:27:36 AM

Huh, it's almost like I don't watch My Little Pony. (Sorry.)

In this case, I'd agree to wait for the P5...except that the way things are going, that might take a few months. We REALLY need to appoint some new people.

Expergiscēre cras, medior quam hodie. (Awaken tomorrow, better than today.)
Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#12010: Apr 14th 2016 at 10:43:42 AM

To be fair, we don't have as many Content Policy-related issues as much as we used. Thus, we aren't nearly in as much of a hurry to fix up the wiki. Likely why no one else was appointed. No big deal to wait a bit~

Shadow?
Adannor (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#12011: Apr 14th 2016 at 10:45:26 AM

Well the downside is that it's not just slow now, but pretty much completely paralyzed, so even real bad stuff wouldn't get the boot. Ryona sat there on 2 devils since forever.

TheOneWhoTropes Dread Sorcerer of Auchtermuchty from Newton-le-willows, quaint town Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
Dread Sorcerer of Auchtermuchty
#12012: Apr 14th 2016 at 10:50:50 AM

I said I'd do it earlier, but I'll definitely do it now we've got stagnation. How do you go about joining P5?

Keeper of The Celestial Flame
war877 Grr... <3 from Untamed Wilds Since: Dec, 2015 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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#12013: Apr 14th 2016 at 12:43:08 PM

I take back the really fishy comment, because there was discussion. It is still a little fishy, because it did not clarify anything. But no longer at WTF levels.

Adannor (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#12014: Apr 14th 2016 at 12:46:38 PM

I thiink some concerns were based on it portraying hominids as infantilic, thus connecting to pedo policy.

war877 Grr... <3 from Untamed Wilds Since: Dec, 2015 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Grr... <3
#12015: Apr 14th 2016 at 1:13:24 PM

[up]That is the primary problem with bestiality in general. I can see the logic a person would be running on to come to declare this work non-compliant.

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#12016: Apr 14th 2016 at 2:48:52 PM

What bestiality? Bestiality is Humans having sex with Mindless Beasts.(that means realistic animals, btw) Sapient creatures don't really count as beasts(they have full out morality and controls over their brains. They don't conform to nature. Like real animals do. Or other creatures with a lack of morality).They're no different from other humans bar their body shape.

That's why we don't remove a work because of it "being an animal", but because it's a mindless animal. Or if the work itself is pretty much sex, without an actual story for it to make sense. Porn with Plot rarely works, but Plot with some Porn works fine, bar pedophiliac problems. Or actual legit bestiality.

Shadow?
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#12017: Apr 14th 2016 at 2:51:51 PM

Bestiality can actually be an aggravating factor, but no more than that. It is not the same removal rule as paedophilia pandering is.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
TheOneWhoTropes Dread Sorcerer of Auchtermuchty from Newton-le-willows, quaint town Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
Dread Sorcerer of Auchtermuchty
#12018: Apr 14th 2016 at 4:06:43 PM

[up][up]The HUMANS of that world (in the fanfic talked about) only have animal intelligence.

edited 14th Apr '16 4:07:30 PM by TheOneWhoTropes

Keeper of The Celestial Flame
Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#12019: Apr 14th 2016 at 4:12:10 PM

[up] Which would make it bestiality. Just a reverse of who the beasts are.

Shadow?
Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#12020: Apr 14th 2016 at 10:12:07 PM

In this thread: Tropers try valiantly to define what counts as bestiality in fictional works.

I'm personally of the opinion that it doesn't matter. As Septimus pointed out, bestiality isn't against the rules, and it doesn't seem to be plotless porn, just an example of a very twisted fanfic author.

Candi Sorcerer in training from Closer to rimward than hubward Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
Sorcerer in training
#12021: Apr 16th 2016 at 7:40:32 AM

In answer to the question of how do you get to be a member of P5, the previous members were all asked. Tgoodrich wasn't a member of the original bunch, but was asked on the basis of putting his sanity and liver on the line reviewing some of the works to replace members who were no longer participating.

Two qualifications were excellent behavior on the site and not being a mod. The Second Google Incident had a lot to with number 2.

But I don't know if the new owners are running things the same way when it comes to such appointments.

Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#12022: Apr 16th 2016 at 9:11:30 AM

The admins are entirely concerned with tech development and we haven't asked or discussed a 5P replacement either.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Assassin-sensei Since: Jun, 2014
#12023: Apr 16th 2016 at 12:25:42 PM

Yeah, I can see why P5 wouldn't be a huge priority with all the tech stuff going on with the site. It's still a little concerning that a lot of skeevy stuff is basically being given a free pass right now though.

Adannor (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#12024: Apr 16th 2016 at 2:25:01 PM

Can we at least get a third admin vote for the real shit stuff that's sitting at 2 devils? Ryona, The Baby Jesus Butt Plug, Squad Broken.

And also wipe out dupe flag for ryona, flag for already done and passed xenophilia, and misflags for YMMV of batman vs superman.

TheOneWhoTropes Dread Sorcerer of Auchtermuchty from Newton-le-willows, quaint town Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
Dread Sorcerer of Auchtermuchty
#12025: Apr 18th 2016 at 7:52:29 AM

If it was up to me, Squad Broken would get a devilhead. While funny (for all the wrong reasons), it is the rape and killing of a Space Marine by an Ork. And that's it, there's no attempt to give it a plot other than Ork rapes Space Marine. It's no The Shape of the Nightmare to Come or The Swarm of War, it's Trollfic rape porn. It and the second one also count as guro, whose page was redirected to Gorn a while ago, I think.

edited 18th Apr '16 8:00:25 AM by TheOneWhoTropes

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