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Edited by SeptimusHeap on Sep 10th 2022 at 11:50:32 AM
It's one of those series that degraded into Porn rather than started out that way.
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Always a little bit skeevy, as I recall, but only slightly worse than your average pulp "planetary romance" of the time in the beginning.
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I don't know where else to ask this, so I figured here would glean the most results. If we are familiar with a work - love it, even - but know that it might get flagged eventually by someone who loves it less than us, should we flag it? I'm thinking about Pure Trance, which is a manga I adore and know is not porn, but someone unfamiliar with it who saw some of the random nudity in it would probably get all tied up in knots over it. I don't want to get edit-banned for being cautious, either.
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On the subject of works that devolved into porn, has the Anita Blake novels been flagged at all? The series is infamous for turning into porn after the Narcissus In Chains book. If you look at its trope page, you'll see many trope examples are sex-related. I'm not suggesting anything, but I'm curious if the series has been flagged.
I prefer to pretend the series after that doesn't exist. That said, the series before that is very plot heavy and certainly deserves a page. And there is plot that happens after that. There's just less in ratio to the sex.
The pages might need to be cleaned, but actually, they don't get flagged by our standards since they're still sold in mainstream bookstores unwrapped. They're judged mainstream enough not to be porn.
edited 5th May '12 10:51:29 AM by shimaspawn
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Why is Eiken deleted? It isn't exactly porn.
It is paedopandering and as close to porn without plot as you can get without actually having sex.
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It fits under the P5 label.
likes the cheeses.
I put a call for folks to take a look at Anita Blake in the special efforts clean-up help thread, but I agree with Shima that this isn't something we'd likely cut since the first several books in the series contain little to no porn content whatsoever.
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Heck, half the books in the series don't even have sex.
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About Cherry, I submitted it, because I remember it being very sexual, but I was too embarrassed to buy the comic, so I didn't know if it was porn or just me being a prude.
Bitter person in the shadows....
From what little I could gather, it's nothing but one big excuse to have the title character have sex with everyone and everything (especially her own mother). Played for Laughs or not, it should be cut.
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Ah, so we should keep and clean it, yuh?
Experience has taught me to investigate anything that glows.
Yep. It's a keep and clean. There's maybe three real sex scenes before book 12. After that it turned into more porn than plot for a couple of books and has been slowly moving back towards plot since then.
edited 5th May '12 4:31:06 PM by shimaspawn
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World's Toughest Milkman
Cherry is a lot like Xxxenophile (which is currently a redirect to Phil Foglio)—it's porn with excuse plot, but the excuse plots are so entertaining, witty, and intelligent that you don't need to be looking for porn to still appreciate it. (But you do have to not be a prude.) Porn, but a rare case of outright porn that I can still recommend for the story.
On the other hand, I'd like to contrast Webcomic.Oglaf, which may superficially resemble the other two. Oglaf features very explicit, graphic sex, and most episodes are not safe for work—so much so that the artist only marks the ones which are safe for work. But if you actually look at the archives, you'll find that about 60 out of the 150 episodes are marked SFW, and of the remainder, many are not all that explicit. It really is comedy about sex, and not, IMO, outright porn.
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Oglaf is rarely if ever meant to be titillating. Most of the time the NSFW are fan disservice. It might not be SFW often, but it's making fun of sex and fantasy worlds in general. It's pure comedy. Not porn.
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I don't know about mostly, but there's definitely lots of fan disservice, even for those with fairly broad tastes. But I saw it had one devil and no angels, and it seemed like an interesting case to discuss, especially compared to something like Cherry. Oglaf totally runs on Rule of Funny, combined with a strong dose of Refuge in Audacity. Cherry, on the other hand, uses Rule of Funny to set up the sex.
Oglaf seems safe to me, as far as the guidelines for removal go, and is pretty clearly meant to humorous, but with explicit scenes interspersed throughout. And if I recall, doesn't have anything crossing the guidelines, and the sex goes hand-in-hand with how ridiculous it is. Cherry Comics runs around the same line, but I don't get the same "Okay, testing the waters a bit, but it can stay" vibe as something that apparently has stuff like "Johnny Fuckerfaster" and "The short redhead with really big tits."* in the descriptions on the website for the characters. Apparently there are "heavy doses of satire are parody" thrown in, but I have not read it nor do I care to.
Never mind. According to the thread made for it, it is primarily pornographic, so it looks like that is that.
edited 5th May '12 11:00:57 PM by BlackDove
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Hmmm, seems quite odd to me that Sister Princess has been recommended.
The anime adaptation is PG-13
, so that should mean it deserves a pass at the very least. And note that the Sister Princess page appears to be written mostly for the anime (unsurprising, since it's probably the easiest version to find).
The game is completely free of H-scenes too.
I haven't seen anything to suggest the original light novels are any different, but if someone has read the manga, which is a more faithful adaptation of the light novels, perhaps they could weigh in on this issue (it's not a recent series though, so good luck finding it).
I've only seen the anime, but from what I've seen, it's not really a harem series. And as wikipedia says, it's considered moe rather than lolicon so it's probably more a case of girls being portrayed as cute rather than for fanservice.
Unless it's just been recommended by another troll...
edited 6th May '12 6:57:31 AM by UltimatelySubjective
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Note to the P5: Imma Youjo has already been cut and was actually porn, so just devil head it to get it out of the way.
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Yuru-Yuri... hm. Okay, I see that it stars a trio of middle-school girls, but I'm not really seeing any reasons why it should've been flagged. Anyone care to fill me in on this?
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I was the one who recommended both of those, and I was doing so out of sincerity. I noticed the mentions of the very young girls in the trope lists - and I thought they might need a look. If they're cool, I'm not wanting them gone, so no worries. 
Seeing as Sister Princess seems to be moe and innocent, I'd rescind my flag on it if I could.
ninja'd : as for Yuru Yuri, it mentioned that it was Yuri Genre with middle-school girls, and seems to be aimed at a seinen audience, and there's references to more explicit related stories in the trope list. Nothing may be wrong with that, but I do think it deserves a look.
ninjad'd 2 for Yuru Yuri:
"There is also a spin off of manga one-shots called Yuri-Yuri, which puts the romantic entanglements in a more serious light and subsequently scores considerably higher on the yuri-scale." and also:
- Brother-Sister Incest: It's suggested that Akari's brother has a complex about his little sister.
- Sister-Sister Incest: It becomes this after Akari's brother was retconned into a sister.
- Going Commando: Ayano forgot to bring her underwear along with her to the beach. She uses her yukata to keep her safe from a possible case of scandalous Vapor Wear.
- She doesn't get away with it. Cue yet another nosebleed from Chitose.
Since this involves middle-schoolers... and is seinen... I think it needs a look.
ninja'd one last time.
edited 6th May '12 5:33:19 AM by AGroupie
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@Krazy Kopter: Yeah. Gor was originally a sword-and-sorcery (or was it sword-and-planet?) series in the style of Edgar Rice Burroughs before author John Norman succumbed to Filibuster Freefall and it became the series we know today.
edited 5th May '12 7:26:52 AM by TwoGunAngel