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Edited by SeptimusHeap on Sep 10th 2022 at 11:50:32 AM

homogenized Since: Oct, 2009
#14651: Mar 11th 2023 at 8:00:03 PM

[up][up]Not just the host, Fakku is also an English language (or at least USA) licensor of Japanese porn and porn-adjacent comics.

Edited by homogenized on Mar 11th 2023 at 10:02:38 AM

StarSword Captain of USS Bajor from somewhere in deep space Since: Sep, 2011
Captain of USS Bajor
#14652: Mar 12th 2023 at 11:11:59 AM

[up]Yeah, Fakku is an official English-language publisher, not merely a hosting site. It'd be no different than the page for Seven Seas Entertainment or whatever, we'd just have to note that there's a lot more straight-up NSFW content than usual (because they mainly publish hentai) and not directly link to it a la the rules around Oglaf.

Edited by StarSword on Mar 12th 2023 at 2:13:34 PM

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Willbyr Hi (Y2K) Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
Hi
#14653: Mar 12th 2023 at 6:22:23 PM

Metamorphosis and its YMMV page are now live; I'm working on crosswicking it. The sandbox can be cutlisted.

Edited by Willbyr on Mar 12th 2023 at 8:23:22 AM

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Rmpdc Ghoulish Brain Worm from Philippines Since: May, 2015 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Ghoulish Brain Worm
#14655: Mar 12th 2023 at 6:31:20 PM

I'm already making some contributions to the Metamorphosis page atm.

"We are gonna sit here and take it! You hear me!? We're gonna take it!"
SereneSpecter13 F1 the MS Office robo-assistant from Microsoft Office (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: He makes me feel like I have a heart
#14656: Mar 19th 2023 at 2:07:56 AM

Has Danganronpa Another Episode: Ultra Despair Girls been brought up here yet? Because if these examples on the game's YMMV page are any indication, it features sexualization of both Komaru Naegi (who is a vaguely aged high school girl) and the Warriors of Hope (who are preteens).

  • Squick
    • The minigame about Kotoko strapping Komaru to want[sic] can only be described as a molestation machine, and this is treated as a minigame sequence, while probably meant to be disturbing, also manages to come across as exploitive in a tasteless and creepy way. The clincher, however, is that the short tutorial for said minigame seems to treat the situation with a somewhat comedic tone, which comes across as extremely tone-deaf at best.
    • Nagisa and Monaca's notorious kissing scene. It's creepy as hell for a variety of reasons, but consider that both characters are probably no older than 11 years of age.
    • Most of the sexual stuff involving the Warriors of Hope in general. Notable examples include Kotoko's gratuitous panty shots and Kurokuma's reaction to coming into contact with Monaca's "little hills".

I foolishly got myself bounced by adding bigotry to my troper page, so unless a miracle happens and I get unbounced someday like Ag Prov did way back when, don't expect any contributions from me anytime soon.
Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
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#14657: Mar 19th 2023 at 8:13:57 AM

For context:

  • Kotoko (about 12, villain) is a victim of non-consentual prostitution in her backstory (not shown or elaborated). In the game, as a lesson, she captures the heroine Komaru (about 16) and straps her to a torture machine, which are toy hands on sticks tickling her. If you don't click on the hands, after a suggestive graphic effect Komaru simply says she gives up and game overs.
  • Monaca (about 11, villain), sensing that Nagisa (about 12, villain) is about to go through Heel Realization (partially because she I Lied about their plans), french kisses him, causing him to Freak Out and beat her, after which she does it again, making him forget the earlier conversation and be more obedient. It's rather Nightmare Fuel.
  • Kotoko wears giant strawberry bloomers. As a Running Gag she often trips.
  • Monaca hugs Kurokuma (a Sir Swears-a-Lot robot, but technically an adult, villain). Kurokuma in a panic makes a comment that her "buds" are pushing on him.

Never liked these, but not sure what to do here.

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#14658: Mar 19th 2023 at 10:45:41 AM

So basically a game isn't allowed if it has explicit porn content, but what if you can opt not to load adult material?

Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
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#14659: Mar 19th 2023 at 10:47:35 AM

[up] If there aren't other problems, it's fair by us, we'll just consider the "censored mode" own work.

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4maskwolf Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
#14660: Mar 19th 2023 at 11:08:26 AM

Explicit content isn’t inherently an issue, but if a work is ruled non-P5 compliant and has a censored version that removes the content at issue the censored version is allowed to be troped.

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#14661: Mar 19th 2023 at 11:13:15 AM

I only know a tiny bit about Ultra Despair Girls but I'm pretty sure the sexual abuse is strictly depicted as a bad thing and Freudian Excuse. But I know even that can sometimes be line-crossing if it's graphic (like with Kodomo no Jikan).

That said, the stuff Amonimus mentioned sounds uncomfortable (presumably deliberately) but probably not enough on its own to be cut if it doesn't get too sexually graphic.

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#14662: Mar 19th 2023 at 12:03:13 PM

I've played Ultra Despair Girls, and the villains are five children who have been horrifically abused, which in Kotoko's case means being forced into prostitution alongside her mother. It's not exactly handled tastefully, but it's definitely not pedo-pandering. As for the "motivation machine" minigame with the main character Komaru, she's 16 and I believe we only consider it pedo-pandering if children under 16 are sexualized. The most problematic part about that IMO is that the game expects the player to beat off to it, as implied by the tutorial text and the fact that CGs relating to it cost more Monocoins to unlock than others (and you can't replay the minigame in the CG gallery). While the game uses child sexual abuse for shock value, it's definitely played for horror instead of titillation, and nothing actually explicit is shown with Kotoko.

One work that I think is a lot more likely to be cut is Uchiha Heiress Remix, which had a Complete Monster entry cut because Naruto and Hinata, who are 12, have sex in chapter 22.

[down]That doesn't automatically mean it's keepable (though I think UDG is). The "works officially released in the US as a non-pornographic work are fine" thing is just a guideline; there have been exceptions like Ro-Kyu-Bu! and Chu-Bra.

Edited by rjd1922 on Mar 19th 2023 at 4:01:46 AM

Keet cleanup
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#14663: Mar 19th 2023 at 12:03:32 PM

Isnt the game localized and avaible on Amazon and steam.i think it's only rated M on esbr.

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carbon-mantis Collector Of Fine Oddities from Trumpland Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Married to my murderer
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#14664: Mar 19th 2023 at 12:56:12 PM

TBH after looking up lets plays it looks like bog-standard anime trope purulence. Not that I approve of it personally but we've voted to keep way worse. As with other similar situations I think the bigger problem is the gushing/fixation on it in the examples that could use a trimming if it gets out of hand.

Edited by carbon-mantis on Mar 19th 2023 at 3:57:35 PM

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#14665: Mar 19th 2023 at 1:07:37 PM

I'm for trimming/cleaning up the examples. Doesn't really do anything against our guidelines in this context.

[up][up][up][up] It was more that it was straight-out having a young girl heavily try to seduce a teacher than just having explicit moments alone. It's ugh, simply put. It hit many "no just no" buttons, and was a very very easy cut.

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#14666: Mar 20th 2023 at 7:47:08 AM

Ah I see. I'm wondering if AnotherEidos of Dragonvein R could be allowed, since you can technically avoid the porn if you pick the non-adult choices. I thought it was the equivalent of not using an adult patch in visual novels.

Adannor (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#14667: Mar 20th 2023 at 9:21:37 AM

With adult-patchable VN, the non-porn version is often sold as the default and the porn is gone. With walkthrough choices, you can still accidentally land in there and the porn is still present.

Ookamikun This is going to be so much fun. (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
This is going to be so much fun.
#14668: Mar 23rd 2023 at 6:16:11 PM

Ahh true, so I guess it's a no-go then.

Twiddler (On A Trope Odyssey)
#14669: Mar 23rd 2023 at 7:19:03 PM

Not necessarily. A work can contain porn without the work as a whole being porn. Looking it up, it looks like it's primarily a Tower Defense game?

Adannor (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#14670: Mar 24th 2023 at 1:23:00 AM

[up] I mean yeah, that's the usual judgement call. My point is that "you can skip porn" isn't meaningful, we still have to judge on what is available in the game's common release.

paradisedj32 Since: Jan, 2011
#14671: Mar 26th 2023 at 5:05:10 AM

I mean, as long as it has non-porn plot and gameplay, a work having some porn is not a deal-breaker for us anyway. The only exception is when it has industrial-grade pedo pandering: Openly showcasing a <14 year old character engaging in sexual acts without a serious examination of the damage that would cause, or said characters behaving/being portrayed in ways that very blatantly encourages the viewer to see them as something to fuck. That unfortunately must get the thumping pole no matter how good the work is otherwise.

Edited by paradisedj32 on Mar 26th 2023 at 9:08:35 AM

Jillogent Since: Apr, 2023
#14672: Apr 26th 2023 at 12:45:13 AM

Hi, can I add this onto the Fan Webcomic Index for Danganronpa? Does this breach content policy guidelines regarding fetish fuel/pedo-pandering or no?

Link

Edited by Willbyr on Apr 26th 2023 at 8:50:16 AM

Malady (X-Troper)
#14673: May 14th 2023 at 11:30:03 AM

Was cleaning out too-long Light Novel redirects, found Porn with Plot entry for Sekkaku Cheat wo Moratte Isekai ni Teni shita n dakara, Suki na you ni Ikitemitai

But that's too long a title for the site.

There was already a thread about the title length, but anyone know if the work is actually against policy?

It's weird / bad if an on-page example doesn't at least red-link the work, but I need to know if it's against policy if I do?

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Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#14674: May 14th 2023 at 1:05:50 PM

It hasn't been judged yet, so unless it's so pedopandering that even a blind man can see that it's there for grown men to look at little girls, or is an obvious Lemon with absolutely nothing else (and I don't think light novels ever reach the latter standard; there's always some level of story), go ahead.

(And while this is off-topic, its English title is Might As Well Cheat, which is much shorter and preferred by policy.)

Edited by Ramidel on May 14th 2023 at 12:07:18 AM

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