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The sub-forum is used for discussions that adjudicate possible violations of The Content Policy. Threads here can be created by flagging a page through the sidebar "report" button and toggling "The page may violate the Content Policy".

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Edited by SeptimusHeap on Sep 10th 2022 at 11:50:32 AM

Siegfried1337 Calabash. from The Eastern Luminant Since: Sep, 2018 Relationship Status: Will you go out with me to the End?
Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#14602: Feb 12th 2023 at 7:34:40 AM

As has been said, we don't pre-emptively vet works (though that rule seems to be not fully intact right now). If you think it has enough plot, then go ahead and make the page. From what I'm hearing, it sounds plotty enough.

mightymewtron Word Up from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Word Up
#14603: Feb 13th 2023 at 12:48:35 PM

Cuckold potholes the source comic, Oh Joy Sex Toy, but as I brought up on IP discussion before, I don't think the comic is clean enough to ever get a page. It's educational, but the only fictional narratives are explicit porn comics, and the rest are autobiographical or educational. I think it should be added to Special Cases similar to Lampshaded Double Entendre.

Edited by mightymewtron on Feb 13th 2023 at 3:48:56 PM

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
Twiddler (On A Trope Odyssey)
#14604: Feb 13th 2023 at 2:01:53 PM

Some educational works have pages, though.

mightymewtron Word Up from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Word Up
#14605: Feb 13th 2023 at 8:28:04 PM

True, but I've read OJST and I don't know if it's super tropable without crossing into primarily porn territory. Most of it is autobiographical, a product advertisement, and/or akin to a sex ed textbook, and what isn't is purely pornographic comics.

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
worldwidewoomy (Plucky Ensign) Relationship Status: I miss my wife, Tails
#14606: Feb 13th 2023 at 10:04:12 PM

(Wrong P5 thread, my bad)

Edited by worldwidewoomy on Feb 13th 2023 at 12:05:02 PM

FernandoLemon Since: Aug, 2015
#14607: Feb 14th 2023 at 1:47:11 PM

Eh? It's like... I think it's P5-compliant because I wouldn't really call it "porn", but the issue is that it's just lacking in tropable content. It's the Let's Play thing: what is there to trope about it?

mightymewtron Word Up from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Word Up
#14608: Feb 20th 2023 at 3:36:08 PM

Someone to Remember Him By has an entry for the Lisa Is Pregnant Troll Fic, including a link. I recall reading years ago that the page for this fic was cut because it deals with incest between kids, but it's also too badly written to be pornographic at all. The entry isn't prurient but it still deals with that writing.

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#14609: Feb 20th 2023 at 5:01:08 PM

Legit examples from cut works can stay.

mightymewtron Word Up from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Word Up
#14610: Feb 20th 2023 at 5:09:43 PM

Should we remove the link to the fic, though?

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
MacronNotes (she/her) (Captain) Relationship Status: Less than three
(she/her)
#14611: Feb 20th 2023 at 5:17:24 PM

I think the link should be removed as I don't think we should be linking to works that we cut for violating the content policy.

Macron's notes
Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#14612: Feb 20th 2023 at 5:38:28 PM

Agreed. Go ahead and remove it.

Siegfried1337 Calabash. from The Eastern Luminant Since: Sep, 2018 Relationship Status: Will you go out with me to the End?
Calabash.
#14613: Feb 21st 2023 at 3:38:21 PM

Restarting the conversation from the previous page, anyone don't mind me making a sandbox for Metamorphosis/Emergence?

Eh, good enough.
badtothebaritone (Life not ruined yet) Relationship Status: Snooping as usual
#14614: Feb 21st 2023 at 3:48:19 PM

I don't think anyone's going to object at this point.

Siegfried1337 Calabash. from The Eastern Luminant Since: Sep, 2018 Relationship Status: Will you go out with me to the End?
Calabash.
#14615: Feb 21st 2023 at 4:56:47 PM

I've made the sandbox. Could use some help with describing it and maybe some tropes.

Edited by Siegfried1337 on Feb 21st 2023 at 4:56:55 AM

Eh, good enough.
Willbyr Hi (Y2K) Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
Hi
#14616: Feb 21st 2023 at 7:15:32 PM

[up] That's a good start. I'm using the Wikipedia page to add in some tropes.

Malady (X-Troper)
#14617: Feb 21st 2023 at 7:18:14 PM

"She tries to go sober after learning she's pregnant, but restarts it due to the massive pain, and eventually dies from an overdose."

So, "massive pain" from getting beat up, as said in Driven to Suicide?

Also side-issue is that Fanfic.Metamorphosis exists.

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Willbyr Hi (Y2K) Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
Hi
#14618: Feb 21st 2023 at 7:30:13 PM

[up] I took a stab at rewriting that sentence...someone who's actually read it will need to corroborate anything I'm adding in. Also, I think this could go in Manga/ as it's a wholly original story, it's not a fanfic of The Metamorphosis.

EDIT: Okay, I think I've done all I can do based on the information I've found.

Edited by Willbyr on Feb 21st 2023 at 10:01:56 AM

Malady (X-Troper)
#14619: Feb 21st 2023 at 8:05:55 PM

I wonder if the 69 in the first panel of page image is a LOL, 69 joke.

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Willbyr Hi (Y2K) Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
Hi
#14620: Feb 21st 2023 at 8:12:42 PM

[up] That wouldn't surprise me, but I'd hold off on adding it without Word of God.

Siegfried1337 Calabash. from The Eastern Luminant Since: Sep, 2018 Relationship Status: Will you go out with me to the End?
Calabash.
#14621: Feb 21st 2023 at 9:43:15 PM

[up][up] This was from the official English release btw.

Eh, good enough.
Willbyr Hi (Y2K) Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
Hi
#14622: Feb 22nd 2023 at 7:38:39 AM

Here's some items that could go on the YMMV page if/when it launches:

  • Memetic Mutation: 177013Explanation 
  • Realism-Induced Horror: Metamorphosis ended up becoming infamous for showing a disturbingly plausible and realistic process of a teenage girl being failed by everyone in her life and ending up addicted to drugs, abandoned and in the cusp of a very slow and painful Corrupt, Break, and Kill the Cutie process that ultimately concludes with her implicitly dying from an overdose. The manga's artist, ShindoL, drew upon his own troubled childhood and how people's lives were destroyed by drugs as part of the story's gradual descent into madness. It ended up greatly disturbing many readers, not because of the sheer horror of the content alone, but because it ends up deconstructing typical hentai plots by showing how real people's lives are ruined by this sort of thing.
  • Spiritual Successor: Due to its heavy and depressing themes relating to how Drugs Are Bad, among other things, many readers see this as the closest thing to a manga adaptation of Requiem for a Dream.
  • Too Bleak, Stopped Caring: A common criticism is that it's such a relentlessly depressing story that it's hard to finish (no pun intended) or even get invested in from the get-go. The reworking of the ending into the Show Within a Show reveal was a direct response to this sentiment.

Also, I'm not sure if this would count for Scenery Censor, Bowdlerization, or some other trope:

  • The cover art features Saki in the process of getting undressed, exposing her breasts, and the title along the bottom. Some printings of the English translation move the title up so that it obscures her chest.

Edited by Willbyr on Mar 8th 2023 at 1:06:17 PM

Malady (X-Troper)
#14623: Feb 22nd 2023 at 10:04:54 AM

[up] - Reminds me of page image for Fun with Subtitles, but in reverse? Oh, yeah, I'd call it Bowdlerization.

Edited by Malady on Feb 22nd 2023 at 10:05:29 AM

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homogenized Since: Oct, 2009
#14624: Feb 22nd 2023 at 4:21:49 PM

Metamorphosis is not a doujin. Doujin does not mean "pornographic Japanese comic", it means "self-published work".

Edited by homogenized on Feb 22nd 2023 at 6:22:10 AM

Siegfried1337 Calabash. from The Eastern Luminant Since: Sep, 2018 Relationship Status: Will you go out with me to the End?

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