The Place for Purging Porn and Pedo-Pandering (AKA P5 flag evaluations)

Ok, some odd new additions to the report page:

• Fanfic/My_Hero_Academia_Entropy
  • Reason: Please delete this. I am new and can't.

  • Page isn't indexed and has no tropes on it.

• Phineas and Ferb
  • Reason: For users logged out, it's nothing but a porn image and a "saucy" caption with a lenny face. Obviously the work of Wiki Vandals.
  • This one seems to have been reverted. Can I zap the report?

• Panty Shot
  • Reason: Hello, The example picture on this page shows a guy looking up a girl's skirt (apparently from the show Mahoraba). I did a quick search and from what I can tell the girl character is apparently 16. As the character is a minor, I feel that this is a creepy example to use and think it should probably be removed. I'm fairly new to this site but stumbled onto this page and thought it was questionable enough to report. Thanks
  • What's everyone's take on this? The image isn't explicit.

1. Looks like it was sent as a content report when it should have been a holler.
2. Yeah, purge
3. People keep getting their knickers in a twist over Panty Shot but it's not explicit and is well within our content guidelines.

Edited by Fighteer on Mar 3rd 2019 at 6:13:19 AM

Do we need a list of "absolutely concluded and will not be discussed again" a la Complete Monster?

Doesn't seem unreasonable to me.

Also, apologies for my relative non-presence here. Been without home internet for a very long time and this isn't exactly a trivially easy job to do at the best of times. I will check in more when I am connected again.

• MLP Analysis

Reason: Trope entries based on real-life drama rather than things that happen in videos. They're not allowed on TV Tropes.

Sounds like this should have gone through other channels. Anyone object to me zapping this one?

I'm not seeing a problem. Isn't that what a trivia page is supposed to be about?

If something that happened off camera directly effected the production (which Toon Critic being outed as a predator did in a big way because he was such a major cast member of the troop) it would be a discredit to pretend it didn't happen.

Edited by CryptidProductions on Mar 18th 2019 at 5:46:07 AM

That's almost textbook Creator Breakdown.

I've just flagged Way of the Samurai 4 for P5 review. This is just about one scene and one character, but...that one character should not be in that one scene. The character is Laura Rita, the fourteen-year-old British ambassador. (The link gives a picture of the character.) The scene is...the Hot Coffee Minigame.

Houston, we have a problem.

If the P5 need to see the scene in question for yourselves, you can look up "way of the samurai 4 laura nightcrawl" on Youtube. (Spoilered out of common decency. Not Safe for Work, TW: Lolicon, have copious quantities of your favorite Brain Bleach handy.) If you'd rather Take Our Word for It, then my word is that the scene does not meet our standards (and the designers clearly knew exactly what they were doing).

It's a pity, because the game is otherwise quite entertaining (I wouldn't quite call it good, but it's addictively bad).

Regardless, this isn't the channel for that. Take it to the page's discussion.

Edited by Ramidel on Mar 19th 2019 at 7:23:50 AM

Yeah. That MLP analysis flag was just someone who misunderstood what the flag was for.

The game is rated only for strong violence. [1]◊

Looked up the video and from what I'm seeing it doesn't actually show anything and seems like the game treats it as an immoral decision and punishes you with the bit about the other dude hiding in her bed to kick your ass. Her character also model doesn't seem to telegraph her age and looks like a grown woman to any reasonable outside observer despite what bio info states so it's not really pedo-pandering.

That coupled with the fact it's a mainstream console game with a 15+ rating kind of makes me call exaggeration and that this really isn't a P5 issue.

Edited by CryptidProductions on Mar 21st 2019 at 6:26:47 AM

Zapped MLP analysis report.

EDIT: Looking into Gokujou Drops. There's sex and bare breasts, but also a plot and nothing to the level of hentai, but it's more graphic than something like Love Hina.

Edited by DrPsyche on Mar 22nd 2019 at 6:21:08 AM

For the record, the ESRB rating is M, per http://www.esrb.org/ratings/Synopsis.aspx?Certificate=100472&Title=Way+of+the+Samurai+4

So it definitely doesn't get an automatic pass or fail by its rating. It doesn't fall under the pay grade exemption.

I don't think this violates the guidelines. It's a bit skeevy, but the sex itself is implied, and it's difficult to actually get it in the game. Furthermore, even countries which are stricter on potentially harmful depictions of minors in sexual situations, such as Australia, are okay with the game (they gave it an MA15+ on account of strong violence and simulated gambling).

Edited by Assassin-sensei on Mar 24th 2019 at 7:57:36 AM

That to.

If it was published in countries where lolicon/shotacon violate obscenity laws with a 15+ rating and no censorship it's probably not a P5 issue.

Edited by CryptidProductions on Mar 25th 2019 at 3:00:13 AM

Another dubious entry:

Tropers/11010011111

Reported for allegedly being a sock puppet. I know I misused the report button a bunch to when I was new here.

Could someone look at VideoGame.The Last Sovereign again? It's been staying at a single angel head for almost two years now. The game recently was put on Steam as early access, which will probably increase exposure. Previous discussions:

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13349331300A11026600&page=500#comment-12480

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13349331300A11026600&page=499#comment-12472

Re: The Last Sovereign, Discar told us the arguments for keep, what are the arguments for cut? I’m curious to see if anything changed for that Steam release, as well.

Valve recently changed their rules to basically allow anything that's not flat out illegal or trolling/scamming as long as pornographic titles are properly flagged and don't involve underage characters.

So being released on Steam doesn't exclude a work from being evaluated.

Edited by CryptidProductions on Apr 24th 2019 at 8:52:56 AM

Oh yeah, forgot about that rule change. You mentioned some kind of flagging system for porn, does it have those flags?

Steam has user tags for adult content, and some games are age-gated, but neither of those automatically means they violate our content policy. On the other hand, Steam allowing publication of "porn" games does not mean we should give them a pass. For example, I'm somewhat surprised that we have an article for House Party, but I suppose it technically has a plot.

Edited by Fighteer on Apr 25th 2019 at 10:42:38 AM

What Cryptid means is that "published on Steam" no longer means "evaluated by someone above our pay grade."

This is an accurate point. So we can no longer take it as evidence that a game should be allowed to pass our policy.

Right, I get that. But there’s still a “this is porn” tag or category or something, and if it’s not there, does that mean something to us?