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The sub-forum is used for discussions that adjudicate possible violations of The Content Policy. Threads here can be created by flagging a page through the sidebar "report" button and toggling "The page may violate the Content Policy".

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Edited by SeptimusHeap on Sep 10th 2022 at 11:50:32 AM

Theatre_Maven_3695 from Ontario, Canada (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Oh my word! I'm gay!
#12426: Apr 22nd 2017 at 3:16:44 PM

Regarding ASF again, the guide I was given mentions a cut version. Does it simply imply that bit? Or are there more differences? I only really read the Sex&Nudity section and the tl;dr bit at the end BTW. And you'd be surprised. I read true crime and research thereof... my skin is thick as any veteran investigator (helped by MST3K Mantra in this case, which is aided further still by my personal different ability quirks...it's complicated). However... I would certainly take imdb's advice and stick with the cut edition. Sometimes seeing something in a film vs. reading about it like I did are very different things.)

edited 22nd Apr '17 3:23:26 PM by Theatre_Maven_3695

Assassin-sensei Since: Jun, 2014
#12427: Apr 22nd 2017 at 5:52:06 PM

There are actually several cut versions of A Serbian Film.

The version of the film that was awarded an NC-17 rating was supposedly cut, though I'm not sure what for.

The version available on DVD in the UK is cut by 3 minutes and 48 seconds for "portrayals of children in a sexualised or abusive context and images of sexual and sexualised violence which have a tendency to eroticise or endorse the behaviour." I would assume this includes the baby rape, as well as the scene in which a preteen boy is raped unknowingly by his father.

There were about 13 minutes of cuts in the German FSK 18 release.

Candi Sorcerer in training from Closer to rimward than hubward Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
Sorcerer in training
#12428: Apr 22nd 2017 at 8:45:04 PM

A bunch of the grosser scenes were discussed the first time round, way back in the threads. NOT pretty. Nightmare fuel. Ick ick ick. Save your sanity. Stick with the edited versions.

Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
ReynTime250 Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
#12429: Apr 24th 2017 at 4:26:09 AM

Just a quick question. Why is A Serbian Film allowed but not Kiss x Sis. I recall Kiss x Sis being on Crunchyroll and My Anime List with the same rating as Highschool DxD. I know there's a 15 year old who likes his stepsisters a little bit too much but that's nothing compared to ASF which has a baby getting raped after coming out of the womb.

Only reason I could think is a change of policy. Kiss x Sis even got a 15 rating despite that sexualisation of people under 16 is bannable by the BBFC.

edited 24th Apr '17 10:58:50 AM by ReynTime250

Adannor (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#12430: Apr 24th 2017 at 5:04:24 AM

Basically the arguments are note  about whether its intended for titillation or for shock content and about mainstream cultural significance or somesuch.

Looking through the thread on Kiss X Sis, it was brought up that the TV series (which I'm guessing is what you saw on crunchyroll) is tamer while the OVAs are more sexualized, but idea of maybe limiting the page to just that adaptation wasn't brought up.

P.S. MAL is not any sort of official, and crunchyroll says "Note: There are no videos for this Series. This page is only for discussion and informational purposes." to me. So Idunno about those points.

edited 24th Apr '17 5:09:12 AM by Adannor

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#12431: Apr 24th 2017 at 10:18:27 AM

Crunchyroll never got it but it was censored on some tv stations and their original DVD release.

It is also only an Ecchi comedy series with high school aged people, there are a lot worse that have been allowed without issue.

Also want to note that there isnt any 'incest' in the work, just 16 year old stepsisters after their stepbrother. Not to mention that incest is not actually illegal in japan, just recently it is taboo for direct relatives and that is it.

edited 24th Apr '17 10:45:54 AM by Memers

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#12432: Apr 24th 2017 at 7:28:02 PM

15 rating...P5? Does that mean that KxS should be restored on the "people with higher pay grades than ours have reviewed it" principle?

Regarding the TV series, it was brought up. Martello, Meeble and tdgoodrich1 all said to ax the whole thing. The reason was largely driven by demographic issues, or "it's a show for adult men, with fourteen-year-old girls being used for titillation, so we're axing it."

edited 24th Apr '17 7:33:15 PM by Ramidel

Candi Sorcerer in training from Closer to rimward than hubward Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
Sorcerer in training
#12433: Apr 24th 2017 at 7:36:38 PM

It's come up before. Twice. Even the Bleached Underpants versions are That Bad.

Part of P5's evaluation is to look at the physical appearance of the characters, not their ages. Really 700 Years Old and similar tropes are all too often used to justify child sex played for titillation.

It was reviewed and found wanting against the standards of the site.

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ReynTime250 Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
#12434: Apr 25th 2017 at 4:43:10 AM

[up] [up] Yeah that was my reasoning. Considering that the BBFC are a government institution they judge content to see if it's acceptable and they didn't think it was pedo-pandering. Again I mentioned that pedo-pandering is banned in the UK.

EDIT: Ok I might be wrong now. IMDB said the UK had it as a 15 rating but I can't find it on the BBFC website. I need answers.

edited 25th Apr '17 10:05:39 AM by ReynTime250

Assassin-sensei Since: Jun, 2014
#12435: Apr 25th 2017 at 8:27:12 PM

Anyone can submit a rating to IM Db. I'm actually part of the team who tries their best to submit the accurate ratings before some kid dumps in random ratings. Kiss x Sis was never released in Australia or the UK, therefore the MA15+ and 15 ratings listed on there are false.

DrPsyche Avatar by Leafsnake from Hawaii Since: May, 2012
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#12436: Apr 26th 2017 at 2:54:16 AM

Looking over Breakfast club, it's certainly much more graphic than Acid Town. Leaning toward a devilhead for this one.

ReynTime250 Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
#12437: May 11th 2017 at 1:13:11 PM

New discussion for a work that I did send for the 5P to think about.

Killing Stalking is a yaoi webcomic and dear god prepare for the Brain Bleach. From what I have seen through images on Google that isn't fanart and on a youtube video about it is that there is genitals shown (Or a dildo), someone masturbating to a corpse with sperm (It's portrayed worse than in End of Evangelion) and there's near rape scenes and very abusive sex scenes. Also everyone on certain websites are comparing this to A Serbian Film from the looks of things. It's basically Korean's attempt at a very disturbing Exploitation Film and Torture Porn.

It's not exactly porn but it's disgusting enough for a look I'll say. (Also people are saying it's softcore hentai)

InsanityPrelude Since: Aug, 2009
#12438: May 11th 2017 at 4:09:23 PM

Just being explicit, squicky, violent and/or containing offputting kinks doesn't violate the Content Policy. Works that are primarily porn, or that are pedo bait, are what the P5 is here for. You mentioned A Serbian Film- the thing that's put that under question here isn't the presence of disturbing sex in it, it's that the disturbing sex involves children.

Just from fandom osmosis and looking over its page here, it looks like the main point of Killing Stalking is probably the horror, not the porn. So unless the explicit parts involve kids or young teens, it'll probably pass.

edited 11th May '17 4:14:26 PM by InsanityPrelude

Candi Sorcerer in training from Closer to rimward than hubward Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
Sorcerer in training
#12439: May 11th 2017 at 6:37:13 PM

It's worth running through now, though, so the matter can be considered dealt with barring a future change in material.

Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
IniuriaTalis Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: Love, football, the arts, the occasional pint
#12440: May 11th 2017 at 7:46:42 PM

I read that. It has a few very explicit sex scenes, albeit with censored genitalia, but they make up a small percentage of the work compared to the psychological horror aspects and all characters involved are in their twenties. There's tons of Squick and creepy stuff, but not policy-violating creepy stuff.

(On an unrelated note, this is my first time posting in this subforum and I think the welcome PM needs to be updated.)

edited 11th May '17 8:25:22 PM by IniuriaTalis

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ReynTime250 Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
#12441: May 12th 2017 at 10:11:34 AM

Maybe not cut the page then but instead lock it for good? It does have explict sex scenes after all but there's more of a story for it.

Basically I'm saying to make it like the FSOG page.

Assassin-sensei Since: Jun, 2014
#12442: May 12th 2017 at 2:29:31 PM

I don't think Killing Stalking has the same risk of gushing/too detailed edits Fifty Shades does - the page seems to not have any problem with that so far. Unless it becomes a problem, I don't see a need to lock it.

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#12443: May 12th 2017 at 4:42:25 PM

Yeah, KS looks like it can still be on the site though we should keep an eye out incase someone wants to violate no lewdness no prudishness.

As for Breakfast club. Definitely pretty explicit. It does feel like the plot is in service to the sex scenes which admittedly censor the genitals, but are nonetheless fairly pornographic. Characters are supposed to be in high school, but most of them have that anime-ageless look to them that can place them in their 20s, baring 1 or 2.

Assassin-sensei Since: Jun, 2014
#12444: May 15th 2017 at 6:28:22 AM

I reported a few titles that haven't been brought up yet.

The Human Centipede Love At First Bite - Porn trollfic.

Masou Gakuen Hx H - As I understand, this is a particularly raunchy ecchi/borderline hentai which has an eleven-year-old girl as part of its main cast.

Tsugumomo - Some skeevy bits referenced, apparently from the manga: "Lolicon: Taguri only molests Kukuri when she's in her small form." "When they're removed she reverts to a childlike form even younger-looking than Kiriha's, though as with Kiriha this doesn't preclude her from the manga's borderline hentai shenanigans." Though it is worth noting the anime is currently airing and according to MAL hasn't gone beyond a PG-13 rating (yet).

edited 15th May '17 6:28:30 AM by Assassin-sensei

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#12445: May 15th 2017 at 6:55:52 AM

... That first one looks like it should be axed simply for being not only a trollfic, but a badly written one that is nowhere near being So Bad, It's Good.

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
ReynTime250 Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
#12446: May 15th 2017 at 7:47:11 AM

[up] We don't judge on quality just how bad the content is.

The fact that someone made a porn flick on The Human Centipede is messed up though. Either way it's blatant porn and should go. It's also a troll fic. Do we need to do devil and angel heads for a troll fic?

I have heard of HxH from r/anime but if the 11 year old is Sylvia then it isn't pedo-pandering because she's relatively flat-chested and a Token Mini-Moe. Personally haven't watched it but considering we allowed Queen's Blade if there's no pedo it probably will be alright. We have allowed worse.

edited 15th May '17 9:42:44 AM by ReynTime250

AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
No, the other one.
#12447: May 15th 2017 at 3:08:45 PM

I think whether something is a troll fic isn't a matter for this particular venue. That's essentially judging the quality of a joke.

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DrPsyche Avatar by Leafsnake from Hawaii Since: May, 2012
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#12448: May 15th 2017 at 8:09:42 PM

@Reyn: Is Sylvia part of the Ecchi shenanigans?

ReynTime250 Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
#12449: May 16th 2017 at 12:12:32 AM

From images that I found the worst she's in is being in a panty and bra. Everyone else is often straight up nude without Barbie Doll Anatomy. So she is the least fanservice character in the show at least. I do note that there is another flat-chested girl who has no sexual stuff at all.

edited 16th May '17 12:18:10 AM by ReynTime250

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#12450: May 16th 2017 at 5:50:36 AM

No, "Love at first bite" doesn't need to be judged on quality. It needs to be judged on "is this a pornfic?" Quality judgments are not this board's jurisdiction.


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