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Edited by SeptimusHeap on Sep 10th 2022 at 11:50:32 AM

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tdgoodrich1 R.I.P 2 My Youth from Atlanta Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Californicating
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#9352: Oct 4th 2012 at 9:23:41 AM

Located a copy of Ken Park, viewing now. Will vote within the next 2 hours.

In the mean time for the rest of you, here is the Brows Held High episode on it.

edited 4th Oct '12 9:26:55 AM by tdgoodrich1

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#9353: Oct 4th 2012 at 10:57:18 AM

Vase de Noces is unlocked at this time. Just so you know, as I have removed some Zero Context Examples from there.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
tdgoodrich1 R.I.P 2 My Youth from Atlanta Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Californicating
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#9354: Oct 4th 2012 at 11:30:47 AM

OK, finished with Ken Park, not really any worse than any of the other arthouse films. Gets an angelhead, with possible precautionary lock. Is it bad that when I watch one of them, I usually am more bothered by the cinematography and sound mixing than I am the content of the film itself?

Side note: If restored, needs to be namespaced to Film/.

edited 4th Oct '12 11:32:00 AM by tdgoodrich1

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#9355: Oct 4th 2012 at 11:34:21 AM

No, it just means that the content policy compliance is inversely proportional to the quality of the work. Often, at least.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
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#9357: Oct 4th 2012 at 11:13:50 PM

[up][up][up][up] You actually cut several entirely relevant tropes.

edited 4th Oct '12 11:14:34 PM by JHM

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#9358: Oct 5th 2012 at 6:18:54 AM

[up]No, they were Zero Context Examples.

What is the deal with YMMV.Sweet Movie and Hitomi again?

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Sabbo Since: Jan, 2001
#9359: Oct 5th 2012 at 6:26:10 AM

...Why would a YMMV page be on the list in the first place? 6_o

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#9360: Oct 5th 2012 at 6:29:11 AM

[up][up] I simply find it curious that you decided to remove them instead of providing context for them before requesting that the page be locked. Considering the in-depth description on the page and recent discussion of the film, it is fairly easy to find the context for those entries, yet you chose not to do so.

A lack of context in the article does not mean that there is not a reason for the trope being listed there.

[up] The film itself seems to either have been cut or remain up for a vote.

edited 5th Oct '12 6:31:32 AM by JHM

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#9361: Oct 5th 2012 at 6:32:08 AM

^Do not assume that I know the examples beforehand, please. And Zero Context Examples are indeed against wiki policy. The standard procedure is to expand them or - if you don't know the show - to pull them to discussion.

[up][up]Because the main article was cut, but the YMMV page wasn't, so that one is flagged to get the issue resolved.

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#9362: Oct 5th 2012 at 6:38:28 AM

[up] It's not presumptuous to assume that you would have read the bulk of the article before editing it; to the contrary, it's common sense. Seeing as most of the context could easily be gleaned from the (unusually lengthy and in-depth) description—most of the listed tropes being used as hypertext there—I found the choice lazy.

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#9363: Oct 5th 2012 at 7:40:32 AM

Ok, made an edit request for these examples. They are of borderline quality, though.

On Sweet Movie, the Wikipedia page does not suggest it's porn. The overall impression from GIS is that it's mostly to disgust.

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tdgoodrich1 R.I.P 2 My Youth from Atlanta Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Californicating
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#9364: Oct 5th 2012 at 8:09:48 AM

I'll see if I can find a copy; in the mean time, here is the relevant episode of Brows Held High.

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#9365: Oct 5th 2012 at 1:33:55 PM

Update: found a copy, watching. Fortunately pre-inebriated.

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shadis Since: Jun, 2012
#9366: Oct 5th 2012 at 1:44:32 PM

Once we are done with all this I doubt anyone here will want to see another 'art' movie ever again.

tdgoodrich1 R.I.P 2 My Youth from Atlanta Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Californicating
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#9367: Oct 5th 2012 at 3:17:32 PM

Finished. On thinner ice than the other arthouse films, but still passable. Clean if necessary, and lock.

[up]I wouldn't say that necessarily. Salo was a good film, it was just horrifying.

edited 5th Oct '12 3:18:13 PM by tdgoodrich1

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#9369: Oct 5th 2012 at 5:30:57 PM

For putting yourselves through all this stuff so far, I'd so buy all of you some top-shelf drinks if we ever met in person.

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#9371: Oct 5th 2012 at 7:08:39 PM

Alright, right now, we only have one work on the queue — Hitomi. Why should we consider restoring it?

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#9372: Oct 5th 2012 at 7:38:28 PM

Arha gave reasons here, more data here and here.

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#9373: Oct 6th 2012 at 4:17:26 AM

A little too much story?

Arha, can you please reanalyze this work (as per Ccoa's questions template)?

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#9374: Oct 6th 2012 at 7:40:43 AM

Hitomi

  • When are the sex scenes located?: From perhaps about a third or halfway through all the way to the ending.
    • Are they spread out over the game?: Yes.
      • How much gameplay is there between sex scenes? : An okay amount of time. It's not as constant in this respect as the above, but quite a bit less play time between scenes as the likes of something I would consider harmless like Shuffle.
    • Are they only at the endings?: No.
      • How hard do you have to work to get an ending?: There's some effort involved to get the ending you want. There's a considerable amount of playing involved and bad ends and whatnot, but the game helps you keep track of plot branchings.
      • Are they in every ending? Every good ending? : More or less.
  • Are the sex scenes optional via a choice in the menu?: I don't recall there being an option like this.
  • Would the story make sense without them with minimal or no rewriting?: No. One of the three main plot lines (they split again later) begins with a rape.
  • Are the scenes made up of stills, or are they animated? Stills.
  • How explicit are the sex scenes? : Fairly. There's a pretty high amount of sex, including one route that includes high amounts of rape and abuse. To be fair, it's not treated like a good thing.
  • Personal opinion: This is kinda borderline. I'd personally recommend cleanup and locking at the very least. I think there's just enough story to say it's not porn, but if we wanted to nuke it I wouldn't mind at all.

I mainly just reposted what I had to say before while changing my opinion about a hair. I think there's an OVA that is basically pure porn.

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