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Edited by SeptimusHeap on Sep 10th 2022 at 11:50:32 AM

TwoGunAngel The Demon Slayer Relationship Status: Singularity
KrazyKopter Bitter person in the shadows....
Bitter person in the shadows....
Jun 6th 2012 at 12:54:24 PM

I was going to reverse the edits myself by I got locked out. I can see why though.

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TwoGunAngel The Demon Slayer Relationship Status: Singularity
The Demon Slayer
Jun 6th 2012 at 12:56:44 PM

No problem. Carry on.

Jhimmibhob from Where the tea is sweet, and the cornbread ain't Relationship Status: My own grandpa
Jun 6th 2012 at 1:00:37 PM

[up][up][up][up]Yeah, I'm inclined to wait and see what's up in more detail.

For one thing, I'd be astonished if this was really what it looks like: however horrifying the crime of rape is, it's been a significant plot device since the invention of writing. You'd have to remove/lock/purge/bowdlerize so many instances in so many classic books, movies, plays, poems, and shows that it boggles the mind. Furthermore, removing mention of such an immemorial trope-fountain strikes at the foundations of the wiki's entire reason for existence.

For those reasons, I suspect that things aren't quite what those particular posts are making it seem. Shall stay tuned.

edited 6th Jun '12 1:01:10 PM by Jhimmibhob

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HersheleOstropoler You gotta get yourself some marble columns from BK.NY.US Relationship Status: Less than three
You gotta get yourself some marble columns
Jun 6th 2012 at 1:02:37 PM

4440:

Everytime the admin accuses people of strawmanning and slippery slope arguements, another section of the wiki gets cut several months later.
I think we can now say slippery slope is not a fallacy as applied to this.

I mean, if we say "if you can't make a page on this work without mentioning porn tropes, we can't have a page on it," I don't think we lose anything important. That mostly affects things like Big Butts And Hot Sluts 36. But "if you can't make a page on this work without mentioning rape, we can't have a page on it" hits, like, actual works. I can't tell you which ones because the pages listing them have been replaced with banners saying "what's wrong with you, you sick fuck, we don't want your kind here."

I realize "art" is a word perverts use to defend their filth, but I think this is against the wiki's stated mission.

The child is father to the man —Oedipus
Jun 6th 2012 at 1:04:41 PM

That's not quite what FE, though I don't agree with this move. FE said we won't have tropes about rape. Presumably we're supposed to simply not mention that anymore.

RhymeBeat Bird mom from Eastern Standard Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
Bird mom
Jun 6th 2012 at 1:09:48 PM

Is it really more offensive to have a trope about rape or to talk about major works without addressing such an important element? With a few sad exceptions if a rape appears in a work it's a major plot point. Can we really talk about Watchmen without talking about the Comedian's attempted rape of the first Silk Spectre? Should we pretend that the heroes of Greek Mythology weren't born of Zeus raping mortal women? It actually seems more insensitive to me to neglect to mention rape, tactfully, where it's present.

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Lemurian from Touhou fanboy attic Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
Jun 6th 2012 at 1:16:25 PM

But even if the tropes have been cut, are we not allowed to discuss fictional rape as it appears in fiction? Talking about rape without "validating" it as a trope is possible, after all. Of course, it is less likely to come up in the articles when we can not peg it to a trope, but then the articles are not meant to be a 100% complete description of the work.

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emeriin Relationship Status: She's holding a very large knife
Jun 6th 2012 at 1:18:34 PM

But people were sorting out the "endorsement" problem by giving them new names and erasing the creepy.

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RhymeBeat Bird mom from Eastern Standard Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
Bird mom
Jun 6th 2012 at 1:18:39 PM

There are tropes about Racism, tropes about genocide, and none of them are "validating" their subject matter. If it's a problem with the editors it calls for a lock, not a cut.

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SeptimusHeap Christmas worms from Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Christmas worms
Jun 6th 2012 at 1:21:09 PM

Folks, can we please wait until better info? Also, on the past page I linked this post: It didn't work. There is no explanation needed beyond the fact that the topic is a pain in the ass to keep clean and it endangers the wiki's revenues. We just won't have articles about rape. Super easy. No big loss.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Lemurian from Touhou fanboy attic Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
Jun 6th 2012 at 1:22:37 PM

...I should have worded myself differently, I notice. That was meant to be an honest question, not a suggestion to how to adapt to the change.

Seriously, with the new rule; are we allowed to discuss fictional rape in the article pages? Like, at all?

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MarqFJA Fiat justitia, et pereat mundus from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Fiat justitia, et pereat mundus
Jun 6th 2012 at 1:23:42 PM

[up][up] Which is too vague and very much arguable, especially the "no explanation needed beyond (...)" part.

edited 6th Jun '12 1:23:49 PM by MarqFJA

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Jun 6th 2012 at 1:24:49 PM

Edit: Self thump

edited 7th Jun '12 4:54:35 AM by Catbert

BadWolf21 The Fastest Man Alive
The Fastest Man Alive
Jun 6th 2012 at 1:26:01 PM

Leaving aside the unfortunate implications of wiping out mentions of rape, there were tropes on that index that weren't about rape. Mind Rape, for starters.

RocketDude Face Time from AZ, United States
Face Time
Jun 6th 2012 at 1:34:56 PM

@Septimus: The problem with that is that it actually kinda is a big loss in the context of analytical discussion and such, but I guess that just depends on your perspective of what the site's good for.

edited 6th Jun '12 1:35:58 PM by RocketDude

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Jun 6th 2012 at 1:36:31 PM

[up][up] [up] Asking doesn't hurt, and being nebulous won't stop people from asking. I'd be interested to know if the decision was prompted by complaints from Google or something else.

edited 6th Jun '12 1:37:04 PM by GendoIkari

FinalStarman from Clinton, Massachusetts
Jun 6th 2012 at 1:41:30 PM

It is worth noting that every page with "Rape" as its own word (thankfully) in it has the curtain automatically up. For example, our page on The Rape of the Lock is now gone. (I can tell it existed because it has inbounds.) There's no getting around that that work has "Rape" in the title, so I'm not sure if we will be able to have an article.

No, I'm not doomsaying, nor saying that I'm definitely right. I don't care one way or the other, honestly. I just thought it was worth pointing out.

I'm not crazy, I just don't give a darn!
SeptimusHeap Christmas worms from Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Christmas worms
Jun 6th 2012 at 1:43:46 PM

To be exact, only Victim Falls For Rapist was actually cut. Everything else is hidden behind the curtain, and that one is a) case-sensitive and b) doesn't cover source or edit pages.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Jun 6th 2012 at 1:46:50 PM

Edit: Self thump

edited 7th Jun '12 4:54:56 AM by Catbert

Jun 6th 2012 at 1:52:46 PM

Okay, I was planning on taking a sabbatical from troping or posting, but this is insane.

I won't belabor why, as I think everyone else has covered that, but that also means all tropes that mention pedophilia (or any other sexual act with rape connotations) will need to die as well.

Jun 6th 2012 at 2:05:24 PM

Judging by what Fast Eddie said while I'm not sure he really disagrees with the idea too strenuously the issue sounds like it might be because Google did say no to what we were doing and that we had to get rid of them. I don't know why they would have said that, but that's how it sounds.

TwoGunAngel The Demon Slayer Relationship Status: Singularity
The Demon Slayer
Jun 6th 2012 at 2:06:46 PM

@Mazz: So, serious question: what would these underlying problems be? I do know that fandoms — and some fans within fandoms — tend to get a mite creepy at times, especially when it comes to things sexual, and that we, above anything else, are fans of fictional works. I know that many of us love to go into detail about stuff, and we have quite the habit of Accentuating the Negative. So when does attention to detail and Accentuating the Negative become gushing and creepiness?

edited 6th Jun '12 2:18:06 PM by TwoGunAngel

HersheleOstropoler You gotta get yourself some marble columns from BK.NY.US Relationship Status: Less than three
You gotta get yourself some marble columns
Jun 6th 2012 at 2:19:38 PM

A key plot element in Back to the Future is an attempted rape. Flag it? No great loss, after all.

Obviously we can't flag it because it's rated too low, but try describing the movie without acknowledging the existence of rape. And I don't think anyone who wants to talk about it is automatically a naughty person doing naughty things.

And all because an effort to solve the problem — with minimal participation, because not only can headlines not be used when there's a problem to be solved, they can't be used to recruit people to help implement the solution — was not demonstrably successful before it was even completed.

edited 6th Jun '12 2:19:51 PM by HersheleOstropoler

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