The Place for Purging Porn and Pedo-Pandering (AKA P5 flag evaluations)

@Komo My knowledge of this could be faulty, but I don't think Kos-mos acted like a human at all, more like a robot, so I'm not sure that's a good example.

edited 20th May '12 5:57:09 PM by Raidouthe21st

AFAIK, KOS-MOS does not act like a child any more than an adult that is ignorant about most if not all of the deeper naunces of human social interactions and emotions — that is, her only childlike trait is ignorant naivete about certain things that most humans take for granted.

your right see my above post for my take.

I mostly want to know in cases where the character looks older the our threshold at what point dose chronological age stop mattering?

edited 20th May '12 6:06:19 PM by Shadis

Eiken is too hard to compare with other similar works, trying to do so unless superficially is just pointless. Kanokon is just a lot of fanservice tied in with something of a plot, but it is not pornographic (or comparable to Eiken). Really, I have talked with girls that look about as young as Nozomu could, at least in a sense, so seeing it in this makes me think of the manga as pushing the limits, but not enough to deem cutting. It's not like any of them act like little children though. So cleaning and locking it sounds like the best approach, least in my opinion.

Also, I don't see the point in bringing up the "age" of a robot or android so much as how old they are actually called. Like if they are called teenagers, and act like fifteen- or sixteen-year olds, even if there "age" is two or eight. That's just how long ago they were created, the programming matters more.

Precisely, hence my mentioning Jenny from My Life As A Teenage Robot in a previous post.

It may apply to other cases as well, But my main point is that an official statement would be much better then us assuming things.

edited 20th May '12 6:10:10 PM by Shadis

What would the takeaway be regarding Rubber-Forehead Aliens who, despite maturing in only a few years, both look and act like mature human adults?

edited 20th May '12 6:10:38 PM by DarkConfidant

See my previous post. I suggest that in cases of Really 700 Years Old and Really Was Born Yesterday, characters should qualify for both physical and mental maturity before clearing the "paedo-bait" threshold, since normal chronological aging is no longer a proper surrogate. But where normal human frames of reference are appropriate (read: for normal humans), this should be taken into account in the decision.

EDIT: Again, the caveat - this is just a proposed guideline, really, and the tone and presentation of the content are the key factors which should be taken into account.

edited 20th May '12 6:22:35 PM by Pyrite

They'd be alright in my book.

Oh whoops, that was already there. Eh, felt like putting my two cents in, rather than simply saying "Agreed" with you (even if repetitive).

Is an official statement really necessary? It seems fit for loopholes and needless chatter when the cases will be varying quite a bit.

A vague blanket statement is better then blind and pointless arguing,

Besides we already have a statement on younger then they look.

These hypotheticals might be pointless, *

Looks young but acts  wise beyond her years?

Looks young but fakes acts young as to manipulate other characters because she's Ax-Crazy?

Is and looks older but acts young because of amnesia?

edited 20th May '12 6:23:42 PM by GraySloth

1:cut

2:cut

3:probable OK.

EDIT: Case-by-case basis, depends on the actual content, you've heard this before.

edited 20th May '12 6:24:48 PM by Pyrite

Though of course, this only matters if the character is sexualized. The exact nature of the sexualization would also matter in some cases.

It'd probably be okay, so long as there's no explicit fanservice involving them.

It'd be okay... providing there's little-to-no explicit fanservice involving her.

It'd be okay.

The way I see it, there's physical maturity, mental maturity, and chronological age. If at least two of the three are met, it's more likely than not alright, and if not, then it probably gets the axe.

Then again, if there isn't fanservice or other explicit content involving said character, it's a moot point anyway.

I know the whole no hard and fast rules on what is porn or what cross the line so it can be difficult to generalize, it's just hard for me not to speculate on some situations.

edited 20th May '12 7:00:52 PM by GraySloth

As he said, "sexualised", so I'd take it that the first two would probably be a "no" in your book.

Difficult to say. Losing any one of the three would still be questionable for normal humans: Lack of physical maturity results in inappropriate imagery anyway (assuming we're really talking about developmental delay and not just lack of physical assets), lack of mental maturity results in exploitation of the mentally-incompetent - which, while skeevy, depends on the context and portrayal, and lack of chronological maturity has been problematic in courts of law.

Again, context.

edited 20th May '12 6:50:37 PM by Pyrite

Oops, didn't read that little part. Yeah, they would definitely be "no," in my opinion.

I personally think just locking would be preferable than cutting in most cases, as I believe that cutting is pretty extreme. Mostly, I'd just like any gushing about the teen looking character to be snipped.

Isn't that basically all there is to the page?

I was talking in general, but yes, that page needs a rewrite.

Sakura Gari ch 9 44-58 sex scene with many declarations of love, etc. Souma's inner child seen on page 53.

Personally, I don't think it's a porn, but there is some child abuse with nudity.

how is the abuse treated?