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Morven Nemesis from Seattle, WA, USA Since: Jan, 2001
Nemesis
#876: Apr 25th 2012 at 10:11:34 PM

@tllstred: New user with no previous contributions, posting a popular series that is not going to be banned and is not explicit in the least. That's trolling in my book. Do it again and you're banned, because I've had it up to here with people nominating shit we are not going to delete for purposes of trolling and/or point-making.

Bad fanfics? Delete them or mod flag them. They're not supposed to be there in the first place.

edited 25th Apr '12 10:13:02 PM by Morven

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#877: Apr 25th 2012 at 10:12:12 PM

No, it was not destined to be brought up eventually. There's no point to doing it now and it's just making more work. Right now we've about a billion works to go through and only one actual work thread up.

encrypted12345 Since: Jun, 2010
#878: Apr 25th 2012 at 10:12:30 PM

[down] What is the official rating of it, anyways?

edited 25th Apr '12 10:13:40 PM by encrypted12345

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redlar Since: Jul, 2009
#879: Apr 25th 2012 at 10:13:04 PM

[up][up][up]I thought being sold in shirnkwrap was the equivalent of being in a paper bag or being rated adult? That's why I thought it was going to be brought up.

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Kanon Since: Aug, 2009
#880: Apr 25th 2012 at 10:13:44 PM
Thumped: Extreme positions are not tolerated here. We don't care if they're sincere or you're just trolling. Either way, the forums don't need this sort of thing.
TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#881: Apr 25th 2012 at 10:13:55 PM

I'll concede that while we have a ratings system for movies and video games, we don't have one for manga do we?

encrypted12345 Since: Jun, 2010
#882: Apr 25th 2012 at 10:14:42 PM

[up] There are age ratings like 13+, but I don't know how official they are.

edited 25th Apr '12 10:15:06 PM by encrypted12345

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TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#883: Apr 25th 2012 at 10:15:39 PM

I guess the point I was making is, what are the ratings, and what's the cutoff for ratings as it pertains to manga (since that's a pretty relevant piece of info)

redlar Since: Jul, 2009
#884: Apr 25th 2012 at 10:15:44 PM

In cases where something isn't sold in the U.S, would we have to provide a defense?

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TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#886: Apr 25th 2012 at 10:17:22 PM

If something is questionable.

redlar Since: Jul, 2009
#887: Apr 25th 2012 at 10:21:55 PM

[up]Okay. I was going to bring up Papa No Iukoto O Ikinasai!, mainly because it's on the proposal page, which is more about a young college-student struggling with romance suddenly adopting his three young nieces to keep them from being split-up and happens to have some fanservice in it. It toys around with Accidental Pervert, but plays it for laughs. The issue is that, especially in the manga but also in some of the light novel images, it does show underage girls in revealing positions and outfits.

Most of the Western stuff I'd bring up is all covered under the "Sold in stores/shown on prime-time TV/Rated R" rule. I do want to say though, the Animation Age Ghetto does make it hard for some anime/manga to be shown on TV/sold in stored.

edited 25th Apr '12 10:23:27 PM by redlar

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Rpgingmaster Since: Jan, 2001
#888: Apr 25th 2012 at 10:26:28 PM

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HGamePOVCharacter

This is a page I created to describe a type of character endemic to the genre as a whole.

Does it fail the litmus test for the new guidelines?

Note: I have removed links for pages that have been deleted, and it covers characters from all type of H-Game properties, ranging from those heavy on the plot (like Fate Stay Night) to those based heavily in porn only (Bible Black, Gibo), though the page is limited to discussing the evolution of the protagonist characterization, not the porn.

Jordan Azor Ahai from Westeros Since: Jan, 2001
Azor Ahai
#889: Apr 25th 2012 at 10:58:55 PM

Had a general question. What counts as "mainstream" release for anime/manga? I don't really know much about how Crunchyroll works, so I wasn't sure if arguing a series is available there is a good argument. I guess anything you could buy from Amazon.com/Funimation should be acceptable, although Funimation has licensed some things that are complete trash. I would definitely say that any show that appeared on tv should be safe.

edited 25th Apr '12 10:59:12 PM by Jordan

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TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#890: Apr 25th 2012 at 11:00:48 PM

I believe that in this context, mainstream just means "It's been introduced into the US and given a rating" (such as R, MA, whatever)

And of course, that rating isn't "adult only"

encrypted12345 Since: Jun, 2010
#891: Apr 25th 2012 at 11:00:53 PM

[up][up] If it's on Crunchyroll, then it is legally licensed. It's at least a valid defense from nukes from orbit since they are allowed by American laws.

edited 25th Apr '12 11:01:23 PM by encrypted12345

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SgtHydra Since: Apr, 2009
#892: Apr 25th 2012 at 11:27:08 PM

[up] If the goal of this cleanup is to better meet the goals and vision of Tv Tropes, why should the fact they got a US release matter?

It smacks of hypocrisy. The only logical argument that a pro-deletionist can make is that if something ruffles Google Adsense feathers or degrades the site as a whole, it should be removed.

This is not a witch hunt, with anything involving lolis being burned at the stake by a huge mob. This should only be an organized effort to clean things up. If a certain work is acceptable, then works with comparable content are also acceptable.

What is with this pedohunt? Am I did I miss an article that launched a massive outcry? It never seemed a noticeable problem to me for the pass three years.

edited 25th Apr '12 11:27:47 PM by SgtHydra

encrypted12345 Since: Jun, 2010
#893: Apr 25th 2012 at 11:29:49 PM

[up] As a US website, it's gonna follow US standards.

Silly, I know -_-. Double Standard abound!!

I honestly didn't know there was a problem. At all.

edited 25th Apr '12 11:30:27 PM by encrypted12345

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redlar Since: Jul, 2009
#894: Apr 25th 2012 at 11:29:57 PM

[up][up]Well, Naughty Tentacles started it, Fast Eddie looked at related tropes, then decided that things were getting a little too family-unfriendly around here.

The US licensing requirement is partly to address concerns that some gray-area foreign works would be targeted when American works get a pass. It does smack of ethnocentrism, but it's better than the alternative. Also not the place for this discussion.

edited 25th Apr '12 11:30:08 PM by redlar

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SgtHydra Since: Apr, 2009
#895: Apr 25th 2012 at 11:32:30 PM

[up] Look, I get that US Laws set the maximum limit, but why does that let things get an automatic pass?

What about No Export for You?

What about our so-called "standards?"

I'm not arguing in favor of keeping content, I'm arguing against keeping certain content that, while available under US Law, fails to meet the intent of Tv Tropes.

edited 25th Apr '12 11:33:27 PM by SgtHydra

Adannor (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#896: Apr 25th 2012 at 11:35:15 PM

Things get looked at.

Looked at absolutely does not mean being nuked from orbit the moment it's brought up for review.

edited 25th Apr '12 11:35:24 PM by Adannor

encrypted12345 Since: Jun, 2010
#897: Apr 25th 2012 at 11:35:40 PM

[up][up] The council will still review it regardless of licensing. I just said that licensing was a defense from auto-cut without trial.

edited 25th Apr '12 11:35:49 PM by encrypted12345

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Ironeye Cutmaster-san from SoCal Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
Cutmaster-san
#898: Apr 25th 2012 at 11:43:37 PM

The assumption is that the sort of people determining what rating something gets for a US release will be more prudish than we want to be. For example, I don't trust the MPAA to rate things fairly, but I do trust that they'll almost always err on the side of being too strict when it comes to sexual content. As such, if the MPAA deems something suitable for teenagers, it is almost certainly appropriate for TV Tropes. The exemption is not meant to be this work can never ever get reviewed—it's this work already got a pass from a ratings board that's actually prudish, so you'd better have a damn good case for bringing it up; the work having a sex scene or including 15-year-old dressing in a slutty fashion isn't going to cut it.

edited 25th Apr '12 11:43:59 PM by Ironeye

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Raidouthe21st Cool Dude from Whacking trick-or-treating punks Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Cool Dude
#899: Apr 26th 2012 at 5:00:21 AM

Hmmmmmmmm, lessee... okay, Bakemonogatari, Boku Wa Tomodachi Ga Sukunai, Hidan No Aria, and Kore Wa Zombie Desu Ka were definitely put up to spite the system. Bake and Zombie are getting licensed for a stateside release. In fact, they're all popular light-novel-to-animes that are actually pretty innocuous in their content. Closest one of these listed I can think of to being inappropriate is Boku Wa Tomodachi, which actually features characters playing visual novels and eroges...mainly to poke humor at the kinds of people that like to play those games, so it's definitely not "pedo-pandering" there.

Not sure about Natsuiro Kiseki, but the reasons given, that "they're all middleschoolers" and "one of them spends chunk of episode in underwear", makes me err to the side that it's being disingenuous. Descriptions I got of it were that it was a basic Slice of Life anime.

edited 26th Apr '12 5:07:36 AM by Raidouthe21st

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Catbert Since: Jan, 2012
#900: Apr 26th 2012 at 5:04:46 AM

I can't see a reason for Inu X Boku SS to be on the list. It seems to be entirely a case of trolling. The only argument seems to be having a child as the main character makes something pedobait. Nothing on our article or the Wikipedia article seems to suggest objectionable content.


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