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juancarlos Faith in the self. Since: Mar, 2012
Faith in the self.
#101: Apr 18th 2012 at 8:51:15 PM

I'm not attempting to be

Which would be OK if you were not failing at it.

You really need to accept that throwing buddhism at things is not going to solve everything and at times, it might even upset and annoy people instead of calming them down, which in turns accomplishes the opposite of what you intend to achieve.

That's pretty much my view. I feel like I just watched a train fly off the rails and explode, but it was full of Zerg and fell on a bunch of Daleks. I mean...our trains should probably be better than that, but I can't say good wasn't done by it.

I think my only worry would be if we could put some vampires in the train, but I'm guessing that's stretching the metaphor.

"My life is my own" | If you want to contact me privately, please ask first on the forum.
Aondeug Oh My from Our Dreams Since: Jun, 2009
Oh My
#102: Apr 18th 2012 at 8:54:19 PM

I don't have alternative methods of calming and dealing with situations. At least not those that vary in principle. Nor shall I. I will steadfastly stick to my morals and beliefs as well as the general theory.

I merely need to find another way of presenting it to all. So I can be like Achaan Sokchai. I will be like him.

If someone wants to accuse us of eating coconut shells, then that's their business. We know what we're doing. - Achaan Chah
Rynnec Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Healthy, deeply-felt respect for this here Shotgun
#103: Apr 18th 2012 at 8:56:22 PM

So...what're we talking about again?

Aondeug Oh My from Our Dreams Since: Jun, 2009
Oh My
#104: Apr 18th 2012 at 8:57:19 PM

Something about a topic regarding the banning of people for defending works that are being contested as "pedoshit". Along with other crap.

If someone wants to accuse us of eating coconut shells, then that's their business. We know what we're doing. - Achaan Chah
juancarlos Faith in the self. Since: Mar, 2012
Faith in the self.
#105: Apr 18th 2012 at 8:57:23 PM

I'm not saying that you shouldn't stick or even express your beliefs, but I'm saying that you need to accept that sometime, people are not going to listen to the things you suggest simply because they don't bellive in them or because they don't find them appropiate to their own set of beliefs. Respecting that is kind of important.

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SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#106: Apr 18th 2012 at 8:57:34 PM

I usually avoid these kinds of threads because of how much subject creeps me out.

Loli and shota creeps the heck out of me, enough that I wonder why they are in "grey" area in first place, I mean, "its drawn" doesn't really cut out as argument for me.

Anyway, thats now what I'm going to ask. I'm going to ask a question that creeps me out even more(and its hard to ask because some people tend to jump on conclusions, but I'll do it anyway because I feel like it needs to be asked):

Should there be term to distinguish people who have pedophilia and people who would act upon it?

I mean, two aren't same thing. Its possible to someone have zoophilia, necrophilia or any other creepy... Whatever philias are called. Anyway, but its still possible for them to view it as sick and wrong and try to either go to psychiatrist to fix problem or just pretend they don't have any problem or never tell anyone about their problem because they are afraid they would get targeted by "witch hunt".

Anyway, point is, doesn't calling all people who have pedophilia molesters make situation worse as it means they are afraid to bring it up because of what could happen if they do that?

Thing why it is so hard for me to talk about this is that I'm basically saying that people who have pedophilia shouldn't be discriminated against as that makes situation worse and them more likely to act upon it. And thats very hard thing to say considering how strong feeling people have on the subject -_-; Its very hard to be objective.

BTW, is ebhehophiles(sp?) considered as worse as pedophiles? I can't really tell because people tend to lump pedophiles are having attraction from kids to teenagers while pedophilia in truth applies only to pre-pubescent(sp?) children while ebhehophilia(sp?) is about after they have come to age. I mean, technically latter IS worse than former, but I mean legally?

edited 18th Apr '12 8:59:30 PM by SpookyMask

Aondeug Oh My from Our Dreams Since: Jun, 2009
Oh My
#107: Apr 18th 2012 at 8:58:23 PM

Then I can't help them...

Unless I've deemed the advice "safe" enough.

If someone wants to accuse us of eating coconut shells, then that's their business. We know what we're doing. - Achaan Chah
Malph (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#108: Apr 18th 2012 at 8:58:56 PM

I don't actually agree with the idea of censoring articles about lolicon, but I am really bothered by the way these shows get constant praise by our editors and as such, I'm on board with this, even if I'm quite bothered by the execution of the plan

I agree. I guess this is a case where the ends may somewhat justify the means.

Aondeug Oh My from Our Dreams Since: Jun, 2009
Oh My
#109: Apr 18th 2012 at 8:59:26 PM

Fuck that's a depressing thought. Almost as depressing as the psychiatric ward...

If someone wants to accuse us of eating coconut shells, then that's their business. We know what we're doing. - Achaan Chah
Rynnec Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Healthy, deeply-felt respect for this here Shotgun
#110: Apr 18th 2012 at 9:02:12 PM

Something about a topic regarding the banning of people for defending works that are being contested as "pedoshit". Along with other crap.

Oh, OK. While I think this whole "Zero Paedo Tolerance" thing is rather stupid, I can kinda see where they're coming from...but it's still stupid.

And banning people for defending stuff like that is going to far. It's not like they were defending Mein Kampf or supporting Al Qaeda or something.

Aondeug Oh My from Our Dreams Since: Jun, 2009
Oh My
#111: Apr 18th 2012 at 9:02:53 PM

Defending Mein Kampf is a crime for many reasons. One of them being that the book is just atrociously dull. Do yourself a favor and never read it.

If someone wants to accuse us of eating coconut shells, then that's their business. We know what we're doing. - Achaan Chah
ElRigo I'm freezing! Send help! from Baja Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Awaiting my mail-order bride
I'm freezing! Send help!
#112: Apr 18th 2012 at 9:04:02 PM

[up][up] I think a disclaimer on the sensitive pages would be enough.

Or rather "should be enough"

edited 18th Apr '12 9:04:47 PM by ElRigo

SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#113: Apr 18th 2012 at 9:09:15 PM

And now I feel even more foolish for gathering courage to post that post considering its ignored tongue Wonderful.

And wikipedia is allowed to have sensitive pages, not sure why we aren't .-. Does wikipedia has special rule or something?

edited 18th Apr '12 9:10:20 PM by SpookyMask

ElRigo I'm freezing! Send help! from Baja Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Awaiting my mail-order bride
I'm freezing! Send help!
#114: Apr 18th 2012 at 9:10:37 PM

[up] Relax, my posts get ignored all the time.

Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest Since: Sep, 2009
NOT THE BEES
#115: Apr 18th 2012 at 9:11:24 PM

Wikipedia also has a strict neutrality policy. Meanwhile, we've only outlawed negativity. So if we have pages on that stuff...

juancarlos Faith in the self. Since: Mar, 2012
Faith in the self.
#116: Apr 18th 2012 at 9:11:59 PM

Should there be term to distinguish people who have pedophilia and people who would act upon it?

There is. It's "child rapist."

Sure, all child rapists are pedophiles, but not all pedophiles are child rapists. so...there ya go.

"My life is my own" | If you want to contact me privately, please ask first on the forum.
randomtropeloser Since: Jan, 2001
#117: Apr 18th 2012 at 9:15:14 PM

I really think we should try to stop making thread into such easy trollbait before a mod sees it.

That being said, I can't really blame FE for wanting to ban people who defend pedophilic works, animated or otherwise. Whether or not it's objectively okay, it is his right and responsibility to get rid of what he deems especially offensive, and his opinions seems justified to me.

edited 18th Apr '12 9:15:45 PM by randomtropeloser

SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#118: Apr 18th 2012 at 9:17:11 PM

Hmm, I should probably try to see if I can dare to create OTC thread on the subject(I doubt it gets opened because of how flame attracting subject is) =/ Mainly because I don't really see way to fix the problem.

I mean, everyone finds pedophilia creepy. Everyone who molests children are like 99.99% pedophiles. But that doesn't mean majority or all pedophiles ever do it. But if they try to hide it, they might bottle up feelings and one day go over the line because they never sought help because they were afraid of how society will perceive them. So discriminating against people who haven't ever done anything wrong because there is something "wrong" with them isn't good thing. But its incredibly hard to separate the two because of how creepy people find it. So how to fix the problem?

[down]Or drunk or otherwise under use of substances while doing something horrible.

edited 18th Apr '12 9:18:17 PM by SpookyMask

LoniJay from Australia Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
#119: Apr 18th 2012 at 9:17:24 PM

[up][up][up] I don't know if you can really say that 'all child rapists are paedophiles' either. It could be that they're just messed up in some other way and aren't actually attracted to children.

Anyway, my two cents... I don't really have a problem with people being banned for defense of paedophilic works. I do have a problem with people being banned for criticising the site or disagreeing with Fast Eddie. As long as we don't slip into that I think we'll be fine.

edited 18th Apr '12 9:17:58 PM by LoniJay

Be not afraid...
BobbyG vigilantly taxonomish from England Since: Jan, 2001
vigilantly taxonomish
#120: Apr 18th 2012 at 9:19:19 PM

For Heaven's sake. When Fast Eddie thumps a post, you don't start another thread and repost it there. That will also get you banned.

To everyone who is upset: yes, "paedophile" is a very serious accusation. It is not a term we throw around lightly, and if Eddie has banned somebody for being a paedophile, you can be sure he had a reason for doing so.

I know we aren't popular right now, and I know people are worried. Don't be. We are not initiating a "witch hunt", and if you're not a paedophile, don't act like one and you will be fine.

I believe that once the panel thread is up and running, you will see that they are handling this reasonably and fairly, and that will assuage your concerns. In the meantime, please have some patience.

But I am going to lock this thread, because it is pure scaremongering.

edited 18th Apr '12 9:20:07 PM by BobbyG

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