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Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
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#276: Dec 8th 2013 at 7:51:23 AM

We are not going to have a spoilers namespace. That's absurd.

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#277: Dec 8th 2013 at 8:53:54 AM

I am genuinely curious as to why it's absurd.

I respect the decision, but I have no idea why it was made.

Slightly related, but perhaps a header of rejected namespaces and a short sentence why each one was rejected(if not a small page explaining this instead that the header could link to) may not be a bad idea as well. It actually prevents redone discussion on stuff that has zero chance of happening. Or at least, if a decision isn't agreed with, people can bring up reasons why, perhaps bringing some new ideas to light.

Shadow?
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#278: Dec 8th 2013 at 8:58:46 AM

I am not exactly sure what does go into a spoiler namespace. And since splitting spoilery tropes into their own namespace is a change in spoiler policy, it should be discussed in the spoiler policy topic.

I don't think we have an use for such an header, though.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
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#279: Dec 8th 2013 at 9:47:07 AM

To the extent that discussion is going to accomplish anything, it would belong in that thread.

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#280: Dec 12th 2013 at 1:20:41 PM

Bumping this, so that we can get the Profile/ namespace finished up. Does anyone agree with using it for "characters that get their own pages and don't define franchises"?

I am asking because I am planning to disambiguate Firestorm between the DC Comics character and the action film from Hong Kong.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
StFan Since: Jan, 2001
#281: Dec 23rd 2013 at 11:36:02 AM

New topic: is GameMod/ an official namespace?

There are already a few of them, but the Game Mod Index shows it is used rather haphazardly, many other Game Mods using simply VideoGame/ instead.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#282: Dec 23rd 2013 at 11:37:58 AM

It's not an official namespace yet, namely because there are no medium differences or trope usage differences from VideoGame/ as far as I know.

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StFan Since: Jan, 2001
#283: Dec 23rd 2013 at 3:37:28 PM

If that's the case, need the pages be moved to VideoGame/, de-wicked, and the remnant redirects crushed?

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#284: Dec 23rd 2013 at 8:06:25 PM

I say yay.

—R.J.

FELH2 TV Tropes' very wikibot Since: May, 2012
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#285: Dec 28th 2013 at 3:02:05 PM

Actually, a Spoiler/ namespace (more similar to Trivia/ and YMMV/ than work namespaces) for tropes that should be spoilered would help a lot. If people don't want to read spoilers, they would simply have to avoid clicking the spoiler tab.

Get rid of the walled garden
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
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#286: Dec 28th 2013 at 4:37:18 PM

[up] We only want to have that discussion in one place — the spoiler policy thread. Let's not have it in two places.

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StFan Since: Jan, 2001
#287: Jan 15th 2014 at 9:09:46 AM

Now that I've settled the Gamemod/ namespace (only redirects remain for those that had a lot of inbounds), same question for the Doujinshi/ namespace.

It is not in the official Namespaces list, and only has five entries (including the index, which is Doujinshi.Doujinshi instead of simply Main.Doujinshi Index.

So, any chance it becomes an official namespace, or should the articles simply be moved? (Most of them to Manga/, I guess.)

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#288: Jan 15th 2014 at 9:18:34 AM

That to my knowledge isn't a medium. I'll stick to medium namespaces and say that it shouldn't be a namespace.

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Kernigh Since: Sep, 2012
#289: Jan 15th 2014 at 6:07:31 PM

Last time I asked about Doujinshi/, the answer was that they belong in Manga/ or Webcomic/.

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#290: Jan 15th 2014 at 8:00:24 PM

[up] That would seem to make the most sense.

Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#291: Jan 16th 2014 at 9:33:35 AM

I've also seen doujins put in the fanworks folder on trope pages (but still namespaced as manga).

Writing a post-post apocalypse LitRPG on RR. Also fanfic stuff.
crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
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#292: Jan 16th 2014 at 9:42:36 AM

Fans and original creators make doujins. Japan, it's that kind of place.

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LightPhaser from Is This Just Fantasy Zone Since: Jan, 2012
#293: Jan 24th 2014 at 1:11:52 PM

"It's pretty clear that we have a lot of pages dedicated to individual TV networks and the like, but it's always kind of bugged me that these pages use the Creator namespace instead of one more fitting for them. I guess you could argue that since networks tend to fund the creation of various shows and sometimes produce them in-house as well that they technically fit under that moniker, but I still don't think it works very well, since the Creator namespace is otherwise exclusively individual people (to my knowledge). So, would it be alright if networks got their own namespace? Most likely 'Network' or something to that effect? I think it'd make a bit more sense in the long run. Sure, I'm almost positive no one's confused because of them being there, but it's less about clearing up confusion and more applying a nice, simple layer of organization to the wiki."

I made this a separate thread by mistake, and someone directed me to this thread to ask. To those asking "well, why don't we have 'Author' or 'Director' or 'Actor' namespaces too?" ...I'd say that's a legitimate question. You know, considering that we have different namespaces for all the different mediums. You could argue that the concept of organizing various mediums is vastly different from organizing people of different professions, but... I don't really see how it is. Sure, the wiki is more tailored towards info about TV shows, cartoons, anime, etc. etc., but still.

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
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#294: Jan 24th 2014 at 1:13:31 PM

Namespaces aren't intended to be super granular. They just need to separate things enough to keep them functionally distinct. It was decided a long time ago that having a single Creator/ namespace instead of tons of namespaces for different kinds of people would avoid the problem of how to handle someone who is, for example, an actor and a producer and a singer and a writer. Those pages do not occupy distinct roles on the wiki.

edited 24th Jan '14 1:13:44 PM by Fighteer

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#295: Jan 24th 2014 at 1:14:13 PM

Well, if nothing else, works are more directly important to us than their creators, so that ought to explain why we subdivide them more finely than creators.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
LightPhaser from Is This Just Fantasy Zone Since: Jan, 2012
#296: Jan 24th 2014 at 1:16:48 PM

[up][up] Sorry, but I deeply oppose the "don't organize well, just organize 'good enough'" thought process. It's very backwards thinking, especially for a website dedicated to preserving information.

[up] I still think it's worth considering at the very least.

edited 24th Jan '14 1:17:58 PM by LightPhaser

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#297: Jan 24th 2014 at 1:26:22 PM

If we really felt like putting the effort into organizing things that way, if we had something to gain from it, I'd support splitting Creator. I don't see any particular benefit from doing so. Hell, we also have the indices to further organize if need be.

EDIT: for example, right now: Sci-Fi Channel is a Creator page and on the Network index. What do we really gain by using Network/ Sci Fi Channel?

edited 24th Jan '14 1:30:11 PM by Rotpar

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Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
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#298: Jan 24th 2014 at 1:35:57 PM

Exactly this. Distinguish by indexes, not by namespaces. It's the same reason we have Film/ and not Science Fiction Film/.

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LightPhaser from Is This Just Fantasy Zone Since: Jan, 2012
#299: Jan 24th 2014 at 2:15:06 PM

Fair enough, I suppose that makes sense. I don't really use indexes myself, so I guess I never considered them.

TotemicHero No longer a forum herald from the next level Since: Dec, 2009
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#300: Jan 24th 2014 at 2:27:24 PM

Now we just have to wait until someone uses that argument for abolishing Anime, Manga, Comic Strip, Comic Book, and/or Western Animation as separate namespaces. tongue (Joking aside, I would not be terribly surprised if someone held Fighteer's post up as an argument for that the next time someone feels like bringing that old debate up.)

edited 24th Jan '14 2:27:33 PM by TotemicHero

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