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Spark9 Since: Nov, 2010
#1: Apr 16th 2012 at 7:42:17 AM

Suppose some troper brings up a valid issue with a page. This issue is then discussed on TRS for a few weeks, a crowner is made and voted on. Consensus is reached, and the thread is given a star.

And then the thread is clocked and locked, discarding the lengthy discussion and consensus, and without resolving the problem.

Do people think this is a good idea? Because it's happening on TRS. While technically it reduces the backlog, in practice it just lets work go to waste. I don't think it's a good idea to archive starred threads until the work is done. If people jump to new discussions rather than fix the outcome of older discussions, then yes we have a problem, but this is not the solution.

ccoa Ravenous Sophovore from the Sleeping Giant Since: Jan, 2001
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#2: Apr 16th 2012 at 7:44:12 AM

I don't think it's a good idea, personally.

The only solution I can come up with is to make a Special Efforts thread for post-TRS clean up, and move all work from stalled starred threads over to there. Hopefully, we can get a few masochistic volunteers to devote time to them.

Either that, or we have to leave them open and allow no new TRS threads until they are cleaned up.

Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
Stratadrake Dragon Writer Since: Oct, 2009
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#3: Apr 16th 2012 at 8:17:24 AM

"Masochistic" is 110% correct.

edited 16th Apr '12 8:18:43 AM by Stratadrake

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#4: Apr 16th 2012 at 8:21:36 AM

[up][up][up]Given that I am the person who is responsible for the clocking of many threads recently in TRS, I have to say that usually I try to avoid requesting clocks on threads that have only scutwork to do, but it's hit and miss sometimes.

About the stalled threads, I don't think there is a good solution. My idea of the problem is that:

  1. It takes forever to execute a job, and there are many of them
  2. Non-forum goers can't help (unlike namespace migration)
  3. It's often unclear what exactly has to be done.

About ccoa's proposals, #1 has already been proposed but the discussion petered out somewhat. #2 will only work if the answer to the question "So, this page seems to have problems but I would have to clean up 7000 wicks to get the TRS slot. Should I take this job or just not bother?" is the first one.

edited 16th Apr '12 8:21:48 AM by SeptimusHeap

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Spark9 Since: Nov, 2010
#5: Apr 16th 2012 at 9:43:25 AM

I think it's perfectly fine to allow no new TRS threads until the Starred ones are cleaned up; this is precisely why we have a TRS cap. It would probably help if the forum was sorted with Stars on top.

The threads that require 7000 wick moves are a slim minority; most of them are much less work.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#6: Apr 16th 2012 at 10:06:44 AM

120 wicks, as I know from own experience, are already a lot of work. And we need to address my point about ccoa's second idea before we can implement the changes described[up]. Not to mention that it would mean that other issues would stay unfixed for ages and probably get worse in the meantime.

edited 16th Apr '12 10:06:59 AM by SeptimusHeap

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
ArcadesSabboth from Mother Earth Since: Oct, 2011
#7: Apr 16th 2012 at 10:24:31 AM

I'm 100% with the OP.

Oppression anywhere is a threat to democracy everywhere.
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#8: Apr 18th 2012 at 12:53:09 PM

Bumping to say that clocking unlocked starred threads probably isn't a good idea.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
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