Page Restoration Petitions

Oh! I get it now! In the showerhead series, I felt the desire to protect the main character from pervs! so it's like that. *nod nod* Still too much for tvtropes.

But RBK has titilating scenes as well.

edited 19th Jul '12 8:33:43 PM by animeg3282

Except that that series also has scenes designed for titillation, and is thus even worse in that way. Indeed, you even name one such scene when you identify the series.

That said, we probably don't need to talk about something which will never come back under the current rules.

edited 19th Jul '12 8:26:49 PM by Sabbo

It ain't comin' back, fellas. Let's move on to something else.

Well in interest of moving on, I think Lee M would like to hear some actual P5 members on the Nightshade comic he brought up :V

It ain't comin' back, fellas. Let's move on to something else.

Wasn't that said about Bliss Stage as well?

Bliss Stage's cut decision was based (at least in part) on misinformation from what I gather based on new information in my absence. With Ro-Kyu-Bu it has been personally vetted as blatant pedopandering by all P5 members, myself included. Now fucking drop it.

edited 20th Jul '12 8:05:02 AM by tdgoodrich1

I haven't seen most of these works (in the case of Advanced VG, which I had seen, I nominated it for review). All I can see is the rhetoric. The rhetoric sounds exactly the same whether the work turns out to be good or bad, down to the "shut up about this since we're not changing our mind" part.

"Shut up about this issue because we're not changing our mind" is generally a bad idea. You can't justify it by saying that the work is really bad this time; by definition, until your mind is changed you will always believe the work is really bad.

If you have an issue with a particular decision that was made, then raise that issue instead of lambasting the panel over policy. Most of their decisions have been in line with the new standards even when I didn't like the ruling. Ro Kyu Bu is gone after two separate reviews. Nothing is going to change after they just made their decision.

I vote to restore the examples Gor books page...

Provide a case as to why, and then we'll talk. I don't know enough about Gor to be able to make an informed decision.

What he said.

You might also consider providing a more detailed defence this time.

edited 22nd Jul '12 7:34:31 AM by Pyrite

Gor is bog standard high fantasy and regularly carried in places like middle school libraries. It's sold in mainstream bookstores and is a really mainstream series. The first half of the series is utterly mundane and is no worse than any other fantasy series with a little sex.

It's fanbase however are a bunch of loonies but we're not talking about them.

Later on it sort of went crazy and the sexual elements became magnified, but even so, they just get the most attention because they're controversial. Not because they make up a large portion of the work.

OK, as Adannor said, I would welcome comments by P5 members on the Dreamwalk Journal sequels The Widow and Nightshade, the Merry Widow. Word of God states that the original strip will be restored and updated in due course, but since it's not there at the moment let's concentrate on the sequels.

As I mentioned in previous posts, these stories do contain frequent sexual references, some of them explicit, and constant nudity (albeit mostly involving insectoid/arachnoid characters that readers might or might not consider erotic). However, my contention is that this does not constitute porn since the plots are character-based and do not directly revolve around sex (far less-so than for instance Oglaf).

On that basis, if the ban on the series is lifted I would like to post an article on the sequels, possibly expanding into an umbrella article for the original and sequels as soon as the original reappears.

Just to nit pick the 5p don't seem to see any difference with furry(meaning all anthro fandoms) works and other works.

Can you provide some links of places where we can review the sequels, Lee?

^Nightshade and Widow. Require registration, though.
Also there I've checked out the former.

Exactly. The people in the original CV discussion thread were making foolish assumptions and clearly know nothing about the books, they even said themselves they were all going on heresay and "things they heard from other people".

They're NOT "porn" and there's no reason why the page should be sliced, locked, or without examples. There are sexual situations, but as I said they're nothing explicit, and aren't the whole plot of the books, not by a long shot. I can think of many popular book series with full pages on this wiki that have much more explicit sexual content than the Gor books.

edited 24th Jul '12 9:24:31 AM by Heart

Relax, mang...

As I said, provide a case and then we'll talk. Saying that people involved in previous discussions are wrong and that we have pages on worse hardly constitutes an adequate petition to reconsider our previous verdict. We need solid evidence, not accusations.

edited 24th Jul '12 9:34:41 AM by tdgoodrich1

IIRC, the previous state of the Gor pages is a good argument for keeping a lock. It was easy to mistake Gor for porn if your only source was our pages on it. Gor may not be porn (certainly the first book wasn't, though it left me with no desire to read any more), but it has a huge fanbase that is obsessed with the sexuality of the work. That distinguishes it from many other works that may have more overt sex in them, and is, I think, a good reason for leaving the pages locked.

It's not like you can't go through the normal procedure if you have a legitimate edit you want to make to the page.

Having no tropes listed makes it a mere shadow of a works page though. If it's gotta be locked, maybe restore cleaned examples?

I'm unable to read all posts and to search in all this topic so I don't know if it has already been proposed. I'm requesting to restore popotan. Popotan is not porn. It does have some riské ecchi still, not porn. I'm also requesting to restore moetan. Moetan does not feature full body nudity or anything directly related to sex, specially the censored version. It is also something borderline but not porn.

edited 2nd Aug '12 5:12:47 AM by brunoais

Make a case, and then we'll talk. Also, it depends on what my comrades think as the cut was made fairly recently prior to my induction after much deliberation.

edited 2nd Aug '12 5:05:01 AM by tdgoodrich1

^^Popotan was cut due to a combination of paedopandering and a large amount of sexual content.