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Komodin TV Tropes' Sonic Wiki Curator from Windy Hill Zone Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
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#2626: Oct 28th 2013 at 7:01:05 PM

What does come up from quick searches though are several rather skeevy illustrations from the books showing the little girls, so it seems unlikely they'd pass anyway.

Oh boy... I'm kinda scared to say this, but would you mind PMing me those links? My devilhead will probably stay so either way, but I want to make sure my judgments are done informed.

edited 28th Oct '13 7:01:20 PM by Komodin

Experience has taught me to investigate anything that glows.
tdgoodrich1 R.I.P 2 My Youth from Atlanta Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Californicating
R.I.P 2 My Youth
#2627: Oct 28th 2013 at 7:02:27 PM

-_- Damn, he's right. Can you send them my way as well?

"Polite life will fill you full of cancer." - Iggy Pop "I've seen the future, brother, it is murder." -Leonard Cohen
Komodin TV Tropes' Sonic Wiki Curator from Windy Hill Zone Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
tdgoodrich1 R.I.P 2 My Youth from Atlanta Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Californicating
R.I.P 2 My Youth
#2629: Oct 28th 2013 at 7:49:59 PM

Ditto. I need a shower and/or a drink.

"Polite life will fill you full of cancer." - Iggy Pop "I've seen the future, brother, it is murder." -Leonard Cohen
LargoQuagmire Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#2630: Oct 28th 2013 at 8:31:54 PM

The loli meter is just the first thing I remembered about the series.

Now I remember the shower sequences. o.o

Marelt Since: Aug, 2011
#2631: Oct 28th 2013 at 10:11:15 PM

Alright, having read through the decision making process and the criteria used, I now at least have a better idea of the arguments that went into the final decision. I apologize if I unknowingly tore at any old wounds.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#2632: Oct 28th 2013 at 11:21:29 PM

Eh, it's alright. You didn't drag it out or otherwise disrupt the process.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
AP Since: Apr, 2010
#2633: Oct 31st 2013 at 6:13:14 PM

I'm not going through 100 pages but did anyone bring up Caligula? It's not a pornographic film, even if it is very explicit, certainly no more or less than, say In the Realm of the Senses. Even more odd is that we have a trope page for The Caligula, where this film is mentioned. So we can talk about the real historical figure and other characters who are similar, but not the movie about said historical figure.

Sabbo Since: Jan, 2001
#2634: Oct 31st 2013 at 6:26:15 PM

I think that one was shot down quite explicitly by Fast Eddie himself. If nobody else does first, I'll see if I can find it.

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#2635: Oct 31st 2013 at 7:39:41 PM

It was. He indicated in no uncertain terms that Caligula would not be coming back and that he was not interested in discussing it.

Willbyr Hi (Y2K) Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
Hi
#2636: Oct 31st 2013 at 8:01:17 PM

Eddie was the Praetorian Guard slipping the knife between Caligula's ribs.

shoboni Since: Oct, 2010
#2637: Oct 31st 2013 at 8:24:43 PM

Yeah, I even brought up the fact Wal-Mart carries a toned down R-rated cut of the film and it was still a no from Eddie.

LargoQuagmire Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#2638: Nov 6th 2013 at 11:28:57 AM

I'm not really remembering correctly - why was Amuri in Star Ocean cut? I was recently watching pieces of it, and it didn't seem too bad, except for a twelve-year-old wearing a dress that basically looks like a wrapped-around tape measure.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#2639: Nov 6th 2013 at 11:29:59 AM

a twelve-year-old wearing a dress that basically looks like a wrapped-around tape measure.
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"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
LargoQuagmire Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#2640: Nov 7th 2013 at 9:48:50 AM

Oh right. Well, never mind, carry on.

enkephalin07 whatever you call me from where i wanted you to find me i'll certainly be Since: Jun, 2013
whatever you call me
#2641: Apr 18th 2014 at 8:16:37 AM

I would like to petition consideration of Eiyuu X Maou for reinstatement. The reasons for its purge were lightly and superficially considered. The majority of contributors to the decision admitted themselves they only vaguely understood it.

First I would defend against the "porn pandering" charge on the grounds of Porn with Plot, which this wiki has found to be acceptable in texts with as much or less plot than this game had. If it's misunderstood due to lack of interest in understanding, I posted a synopsis of the story here: http://www.ulmf.org/bbs/showpost.php?p=347031&postcount=44 (Warning: it's very long and much of it is embedded in spoiler tags.)

The 'pedo pandering' charge centers on the character of Meishia, but there's scant circumstantial evidence to support that, and far more evidence, both circumstantial and substantial, against.

On the most superficial level, Meishia's style of dress, posture, vocabulary and manner of speech are of a much older woman. Any hint of vulnerability comes not from childish innocence, but from the PTSD symptoms she displays. It's likely she was at one time a Child Soldier, but not so likely at the time of her interaction in the story. This character design obviously wasn't written with any intention of lolicon appeal, but similar to Rei Ayaname could become unexpected fetish fuel.

This wasn't included in the synopsis I linked to, but Meishia was taken from her parents by the church as a direct consequence of Felser taking the Maken Abram and occupying Feelese, which happened a little over twenty years before the time of the story. Because she was able to speak and understand what was happening at the time, this would put her age at the time of the story in mid-to-late 20's at the latest. How long it would take the Church to do this after the theft of the Maken may be in question, but without the Maken they desperately needed a weapon against demons, which her Angelic blood would serve for. Additionally, the Pope is an ambitious man, and having more of the blood of Gikraf in his organization would also solidify its (his) political clout.

It's still possible for one to imagine that she was taken to the church late and would be in her mid to late teens in the story, if one really wished to. But not really plausible in light of her origin story, and her ranking in the Church and experience at demon hunting at the time of the story. All you could say for certain is that she's child-bearing age, as the player can pursue the option to see the child she produces for Felser.

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#2642: Apr 18th 2014 at 1:22:41 PM

Let's set aside the porn pandering charges for a moment. Do you have a picture of Meishia? Google image search is failing me at the moment and I can't go to a site with the cg sets because A. I'm supposed to be packing right now and B. The packing I'm doing is to help my mom, so I don't want to look at porn while she's here.

Adannor (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#2643: Apr 18th 2014 at 1:47:36 PM

I couldn't find who exactly Meishia is, but in the CG sets I looked through I didn't notice any outright lolis.

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#2644: Apr 18th 2014 at 1:58:48 PM

A SFW pic of Meishia... which also includes a pic of her in a heavily pregnant state, strongly implying that she does get a sex scene.

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
No, the other one.
#2645: Apr 18th 2014 at 2:11:40 PM

She looks kind of like a generic Visual Novel girl. Not much, aside from maybe small breast size, that indicates a low age at all.

edited 18th Apr '14 2:12:22 PM by AnotherDuck

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#2646: Apr 18th 2014 at 2:23:42 PM

I had an opportunity to look up the cgs and it's really not looking too promising concerning that one girl. Pregnancy doesn't matter because there are VNs out there where the MC impregnates girls who look about six. Me, I think if she acts like an adult and is somewhat borderline in appearance it'd be okay, but that's not really how our policy works.

edited 18th Apr '14 2:24:15 PM by Arha

Adannor (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#2647: Apr 18th 2014 at 2:50:19 PM

Well you could pack her scenes up for actual P5 members to look at them and give loli/notloli judgement, as a first step in evaluating the whole game.

Catbert Since: Jan, 2012
Adannor (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#2649: Apr 19th 2014 at 5:06:09 AM

Enkephalin addressed that: going by the timeline she's over twenty.

tdgoodrich1 R.I.P 2 My Youth from Atlanta Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Californicating
R.I.P 2 My Youth
#2650: Apr 19th 2014 at 7:24:34 AM

We've had works where high schoolers looked all of 10 years old. If they look like a kid, they look like a kid. That enough warrants a cut under our policies, chronological age be damned.

Conversely, if there were a hypothetical sex scene involving a chronologically one year old robot girl who is for all intents and purposes an adult, that would likely slide by.

"Polite life will fill you full of cancer." - Iggy Pop "I've seen the future, brother, it is murder." -Leonard Cohen

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