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LeeM Lee M from Somewhere in England Since: Jan, 2001
Lee M
#2601: Aug 12th 2013 at 4:01:13 PM

[up] Well, as I said: if not a full page, how about a brief mention on the NSFW Webcomics page?

Currently co-writing a webcomic you can't read about on TV Tropes because the admins mistook it for porn.
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#2602: Aug 13th 2013 at 12:37:17 AM

NSFW Webcomics is an index. Things that don't have pages or should not have them don't go there.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
LeeM Lee M from Somewhere in England Since: Jan, 2001
Lee M
#2603: Aug 14th 2013 at 8:47:51 PM

Sigh. OK. Still seems no more and possibly less NSFW than a lot of other, permitted titles to me, and despite occasional appearances it does have a real plot and characters. I admit I might just be hitting my head on a brick wall at this point, but in a second I'll stop again and it'll feel so good whan I do.

edited 14th Aug '13 8:48:35 PM by LeeM

Currently co-writing a webcomic you can't read about on TV Tropes because the admins mistook it for porn.
Dasher10 Since: Oct, 2009
#2604: Sep 25th 2013 at 7:08:31 PM

Honestly, I view A Serbian Film as worthy of review. It only depicts pedophilia as a terrible thing that's played for shock and horror and it's no more pornography than Antichrist is.

While I still argue that August Underground should still be kept redlinked since it has absolutely no socially redeeming value, A Serbian Film is meant to be an allegory for the Yugoslav Wars. It's not so much exploitation as much as it shocks to make a point and people are genuinely bothered by what it has to say and how it says it.

Nocturna Since: May, 2011
#2605: Sep 25th 2013 at 8:51:44 PM

A Serbian Film has already been reviewed and was decided to be kept as an exampleless page.

tdgoodrich1 R.I.P 2 My Youth from Atlanta Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Californicating
R.I.P 2 My Youth
#2606: Sep 25th 2013 at 8:59:44 PM

Are you asking if we can restore the examples?

"Polite life will fill you full of cancer." - Iggy Pop "I've seen the future, brother, it is murder." -Leonard Cohen
Komodin TV Tropes' Sonic Wiki Curator from Windy Hill Zone Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
Marelt Since: Aug, 2011
#2608: Oct 28th 2013 at 1:15:57 PM

Now that the second season has come and gone, I would like to argue for the reinstatement of Ro-Kyu-Bu. I do believe that there is no good reason to ban the show, given the past criteria that have been stated.

The show is not porn, does not resemble porn and contains no mention towards sex whatsoever, so that complaint is out.

While I personally don't agree with banning anything on principle, I at least understand the concern with works like Kodomo no Jikan or Lotte no Omocha. In those cases, the references to pedophilia are the fundamental premise of the work and one can indeed argue that it would look shady to potential visitors or advertisers. However, Ro-Kyu-Bu is about basketball. 80% of the conversation is about basketball (with the remaining 20% going towards character development), all the plots are about basketball and all story climaxes involve basketball matches. In light of this, it's hard to argue a ban based on an Audience-Alienating Premise.

The argument that the show glorifies pedophilia also falls flat. Pedophilia is indeed brought up as a natural concern by other characters of having an near-adult guy continuously in close contact with a group of 11-12 year old girls. However, these fears are always shown as ungrounded and even the quasi-romantic relationship between Subaru and Tomoka always remains perfectly chaste. They never go further than holding hands.

So the only argument that still holds its ground is the allegation that the fanservice concerning said 11-12 year old girls makes it material for pedophiles to enjoy. In all fairness, this seems awfully close to Hitler Ate Sugar type reasoning, but let's accept that premise for argument's sake. Even with that in mind, the fanservice is no worse in this show that in plenty of other shows that can proudly fly their banner on this site. Any nudity is always covered up by steam censors or camera angles, nothing with any outright sexual connotations takes place and it is not the primary reason of existence for the show. To make a comparison, Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha had full nudity of a multitude of nine year old girls and that show for the longest time ranked near the top of popular pages. Given how many other shows have fanservice with loli-type characters, it seems awfully arbitrary to cut out this one show, which is no worse than any other and tamer than many.

In conclusion, I believe that there is no good reason to have this show banned and add my voice to the petition for its unbanning. I ask that the ladies and gentlemen who decide on the matter will at least consider my arguments.

edited 28th Oct '13 1:16:18 PM by Marelt

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#2609: Oct 28th 2013 at 1:17:08 PM

You're bringing up old arguments. You need to explain how the situation has fundamentally changed.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#2610: Oct 28th 2013 at 1:23:09 PM

More pertinently, the camera (drawer?) angles are still there. Also, if I remember, Negima contains far more non-sexual material and tends to give it to older characters as well.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Marelt Since: Aug, 2011
#2611: Oct 28th 2013 at 1:36:52 PM

I apologize if I'm rehashing old arguments, but I've been trying to google the initial discussion that lead to the banning of this show and came up empty-handed. Could someone point me to the previous discussion.

Telcontar In uffish thought from England Since: Feb, 2012
In uffish thought
#2612: Oct 28th 2013 at 1:38:02 PM

Use control+F on this page to search for the title of the work. Links should be listed.

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#2613: Oct 28th 2013 at 1:38:48 PM

This post has a list of discussion posts, including Ro Kyu Bu.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#2614: Oct 28th 2013 at 3:25:57 PM

Nanoha's fanservice nudity simply doesn't reach the level seen in RKB's Shower Scene, as I understand it.

(Okay, I've heard that Vi Vid reaches levels that might be worth a look, but I'm not taking said look.)

LargoQuagmire Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#2615: Oct 28th 2013 at 5:44:12 PM

The game still has a loli meter, right? I'm remembering the right series here? Because that thing was skeevy beyond all reason.

edited 28th Oct '13 5:45:01 PM by LargoQuagmire

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#2616: Oct 28th 2013 at 5:50:26 PM

Which is contextless.

The screens imply it just means they'll be in a swimsuit in the next screen at best.

Until somebody plays it, that meter doesn't really mean anything overall.

But until somebody plays it, there's not enough information to restore it either. It's more or less "do nothing" till we get more information at this point.

If I remember correctly, we didn't do anything with the game but keep it cut until we have enough information if it's restore-worthy or not. Only due to the Anime being blatantly cut-worthy.

edited 28th Oct '13 5:52:21 PM by Irene

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tdgoodrich1 R.I.P 2 My Youth from Atlanta Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Californicating
R.I.P 2 My Youth
#2617: Oct 28th 2013 at 6:33:50 PM

[up][up]Yeah, that's the one, Largo.

As an aside, Nanoha is not really relevant to the discussion at hand, nor are any other "X is worse, and it is allowed to have a page" type of argument.

"Polite life will fill you full of cancer." - Iggy Pop "I've seen the future, brother, it is murder." -Leonard Cohen
Raidouthe21st Cool Dude from Whacking trick-or-treating punks Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Cool Dude
#2618: Oct 28th 2013 at 6:34:41 PM

Is there any place that actually explains what this loli meter even does?

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#2619: Oct 28th 2013 at 6:38:56 PM

Nothing on Game FA Qs. But the rating for it is "B". That may tell us something at the very least.

Of the available pictures, we see one character in a heavily covering swimsuit. According to the website I visited, clicking on Loli Mode showed them in a swimsuit and that was it.

But that's all the information on the game that I can find entirely.

Shadow?
tdgoodrich1 R.I.P 2 My Youth from Atlanta Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Californicating
R.I.P 2 My Youth
#2620: Oct 28th 2013 at 6:40:35 PM

IIRC, the general lack of information on the game is why we tabled the issue.

"Polite life will fill you full of cancer." - Iggy Pop "I've seen the future, brother, it is murder." -Leonard Cohen
shoboni Since: Oct, 2010
#2621: Oct 28th 2013 at 6:41:54 PM

I'd honestly agree that a game even having that sort of function(and it being blatantly called that) is highly suspect.

KuroBaraHime ☆♥☆ Since: Jan, 2011
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#2622: Oct 28th 2013 at 6:42:19 PM

Apparently in the game, if you coach the girls to focus on the game more it raises their Sports Gauge, and if you focus on communication it raises their Loli Gauge. Raising the gauges gives more options for training them.

Though the video games aren't really that relevant since no one on this site's played them, since there's no English translation, and the original source material is the light novel series.

edited 28th Oct '13 6:42:29 PM by KuroBaraHime

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#2623: Oct 28th 2013 at 6:43:44 PM

Anime was already obviously cut. I forget if the Light Novels had any chance of being restored. Game is entirely up in the air, and as said before, tabled until more information is given.

Shadow?
KuroBaraHime ☆♥☆ Since: Jan, 2011
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#2624: Oct 28th 2013 at 6:50:05 PM

As I recall, the novels were also sort of a non-issue since there's no translation. So once again, it's both hard to get info on them to judge them, and there's no fans wanting to restore the pages for them either.

What does come up from quick searches though are several rather skeevy illustrations from the books showing the little girls, so it seems unlikely they'd pass anyway.

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#2625: Oct 28th 2013 at 6:51:56 PM

Which is my thought too.

It's at the point where we might as well do nothing until somebody who actually can read it can help. Or play the games themselves.

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