That entire discussion of Troper Tales is off-topic. I feel bad for causing the derailing.
I think No Such Thing As Notability does need a line about porn not being wanted.
Keeper of The Celestial FlameIt was cut because it was on the Hentai index. Seeing as it's not actually pornographic, we'll examine the content and see if we can bring it back.
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Ponders too much; thinks too little. Currently goes by Knowlessman.Quick question about the nature of the council thing: Are the members going to be made known to the wiki at large, or is it going to be an anonymous thing? I think both options have pros and cons, and I'm curious about how it's going to be handled.
Reaction Image RepositoryTroper Tales was entertaining, but not in the good way.
Getting rid of it saved the site's reputation.
Also, what are we going to do about Fetish Porn dressed up in G-ratings (stuff like El Goon Shive and that webcomic about the transformation high school)?
Considering that we aren't supposed to talk about specific pages, we have no input on who'll be on the council, we can't reverse the policy change, and the methods of the council will be determined by mods, what is an appropriate topic for this discussion?
Well that was like playing a game of Whack-A-Mole where "mole" is defined as "Cthulhu". -Count DorkuInformed decision-making requires actually being informed, not making one-minute skims of one paragraph. It's especially problematic to do this without even looking to see if there are tropers who have read/watched the whole thing. Of course their descriptions of particular scenes be fact-checked against the actual work to determine their reliability as sources. But there is no substitute for being familiar with an entire work and knowing whether it is all about porn and pedo or merely contains a little sex here and there.
With this, I agree. We need some way of knowing that everyone knows what work is being defended and have it in a way where someone can't convince everyone with one sentence and several cheery pickings. Despite how some of those have helped out in some cases.
edited 14th Apr '12 3:12:08 PM by Psyga315
I suppose cutting purely porn for porn sake is somewhat acceptable but there needs to be a line. Some works are very pornographic in nature but have plot lines, character's and stories to them as well.
Not mention examples to keep in-line with the discussion rules even though there is a huge one I'd love to name drop.
edited 14th Apr '12 3:14:33 PM by Vyctorian
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I suggest the general rule being that in-universe age of consent and cultural sexual standards be used, and failing that the age of consent and cultural sexual standards of the work's country of origin at the time of it's creation.
This allows for works like Romeo And Juliet that where written at a different time.
edited 14th Apr '12 3:17:35 PM by LMage
Troper Tales was hurting us, but only because it was the latest stick that the trolls over at SA and certain youtube channels were using to make some tropers feel embarrassed. Same as they are doing now with sexual content. And the same as they will do with what ever they dream up next. We've paid the danegeld a couple of times already, so they'll keep doing it. And we'll keep cutting because we think it'll stop them. Only it won't.
However, that doesn't matter right now. What matters now is getting some proper terms of reference wrt what is and isn't allowed. At the moment it's too fuzzy, and very much open to misinterpretation and abuse. I'm also concerned we aren't acting to bring the troper community into the discussion and make them aware of what is going on. If there is one thing that we know from bitter experience, its that when you present people with fait accomplis and act to keep things quiet, its that there is a huge backlash that goes on for months and ends up causing more problems. We've just had a wiki talk thread about getting people involved and giving more information for goodness sake.
Troper Tales derail is unnecessary.
Let's go on with this subject.
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OK. Let's stop talking about specific pages here. I can see it breaking the thread apart in no time flat.
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