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lebrel Tsundere pet. from Basement, Ivory Tower Since: Oct, 2009
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#1426: Apr 16th 2012 at 11:19:23 AM

[up] If someone can confirm that that is the new policy, there's a bunch of links that I can nuke.

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FastEddie Since: Apr, 2004
#1427: Apr 16th 2012 at 11:19:58 AM

We don't link to porn.

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Catbert Since: Jan, 2012
#1428: Apr 16th 2012 at 11:21:38 AM

Debbie Does Dallas is indisputably porn. Saying it is a codifier for porn tropes doesn't help the case. I get the impression we are moving out of the porn tropes buisiness entirely, so it isn't necessary to have works because they are signigifcant in establishing porn tropes.

encrypted12345 Since: Jun, 2010
#1429: Apr 16th 2012 at 11:22:05 AM

[up] He was being sarcastic about that.

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lebrel Tsundere pet. from Basement, Ivory Tower Since: Oct, 2009
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#1430: Apr 16th 2012 at 11:23:20 AM

@ 1427: Fast Eddie, that sort of comment really isn't actionable if you don't define "porn". Should we remove links to all webcomics that have at some point contained explicit content? Only those that focus on sex? Only those that market themselves as porn?

edited 16th Apr '12 11:23:34 AM by lebrel

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Martello Hammer of the Pervs from Black River, NY Since: Jan, 2001
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#1431: Apr 16th 2012 at 11:23:48 AM

Looks like Eddie agreed with cutting that Ichinensei, so my instincts weren't wrong.

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encrypted12345 Since: Jun, 2010
#1432: Apr 16th 2012 at 11:26:39 AM

[up] Appeal to Authority Fallacy.

Not that it matters if you used a logical fallacy or not. We'll just have to wait for the council for what happens to it.

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MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#1433: Apr 16th 2012 at 11:28:10 AM

I'm looking at the various fanfic tropes- would it be safe to assume links to explicit fanfic fall under the new policy, since Fanfic Recs was pulled down for that reason?
Yes, do not link to porn. Thanks.
Wait, what? I thought we only targeted lemons involving under-age-16(-looking) characters for fanfic recs.

edited 16th Apr '12 11:28:28 AM by MarqFJA

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encrypted12345 Since: Jun, 2010
#1434: Apr 16th 2012 at 11:28:58 AM

[up] We can have pages about them. We just can't link to them.

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JapaneseTeeth Existence Weighed Against Nonbeing from Meinong's jungle Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
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#1435: Apr 16th 2012 at 11:29:34 AM

We're also removing anything that's explicitly pornographic. Note that this doesn't mean that every work with sex gets removed, just those that are blatant fap fic. The council's job is to decide whether stuff fits.

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arcsquad12 The Inheritor from Monument of Sins Since: Feb, 2011
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#1436: Apr 16th 2012 at 11:30:45 AM

How hard is it to understand "we don't link to porn"? It's not sarcasm, Eddie is saying "DON'T LINK TO PORN".

Stop deluding yourselves.

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MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#1437: Apr 16th 2012 at 11:31:31 AM

So any fanfic that happens to have at least one detailed sex scene, regardless of the ages (apparent or real) of those involved, can no longer be linked to even if it can have a recommendation? Or is this only applicable to pure/predominatly fapfic stories?

[up] "Porn" is being overused as an excuse/justification/rationale, without properly defining what it's supposed to mean for our policy, if only in general but unambiguous terms.

edited 16th Apr '12 11:32:32 AM by MarqFJA

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lebrel Tsundere pet. from Basement, Ivory Tower Since: Oct, 2009
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#1438: Apr 16th 2012 at 11:33:50 AM

@ 1436: Dude, the entire point is that what I think is porn obviously is irrelevant, and I don't know what Fast Eddie thinks is porn. Is erotic romance porn? Is raunchy fanservice with sex jokes porn? Is anything that has a NSFW landing page porn?

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encrypted12345 Since: Jun, 2010
#1439: Apr 16th 2012 at 11:34:04 AM

[up][up][up] The term porn is highly debatable. Don't delude your self into thinking that it's a black or white matter. False Dichotomy fallacy.

edited 16th Apr '12 11:34:15 AM by encrypted12345

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MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#1440: Apr 16th 2012 at 11:40:06 AM

The general boundaries of the term porn is highly debatable.
Fixed that for you.

Don't delude your self into thinking that it's a black or white matter.
This.

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whaleofyournightmare Decemberist from contemplation Since: Jul, 2011
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#1441: Apr 16th 2012 at 11:42:41 AM

Thread Hop:

Okay, what about no paedophilic content of anykind, no content of sexualised children FULL STOP and no rape fetish fics?

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#1442: Apr 16th 2012 at 11:43:33 AM

[up]You forgot "no porn".

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arcsquad12 The Inheritor from Monument of Sins Since: Feb, 2011
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#1443: Apr 16th 2012 at 11:45:40 AM
Thumped: Wow. That was rude. Too many of this kind of thump will bring a suspension. Please keep it civil.
Do not be so quick to make foolish offers, Daemon. Araghast too once thought I would be an asset to his cause. Look what has become of him.
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lu127 MOD Paper Master from 異界 Since: Sep, 2011 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#1445: Apr 16th 2012 at 11:46:49 AM

Enough. We do not give any dime of what a hate site thinks.

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#1446: Apr 16th 2012 at 11:47:15 AM

[up]*4 As we are still trying to define "porn" (which is what the council will probably be doing) [up]*5 is a good basis to start/work with when looking through the fanfic recs and other pages on the wiki.

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BestOf MOD FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC! from Finland Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
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#1447: Apr 16th 2012 at 11:50:22 AM

If you're unsure whether or not something is porn, send it to the council once it's up.

We don't need to define porn in any precise way. If your gut says it's porn, send it to the council. If you're unsure, send it to the council.

If you miss something, someone else will probably flag it.

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lebrel Tsundere pet. from Basement, Ivory Tower Since: Oct, 2009
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#1448: Apr 16th 2012 at 11:51:33 AM

@ 1447: What about offsite links for stuff we don't have pages on? How do we review those?

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BestOf FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC! from Finland Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
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#1449: Apr 16th 2012 at 11:52:49 AM

The council won't be reviewing stuff based on our page(s) alone. They'll also check out Wikipedia and possibly other sources, as well as asking general users for help.

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HersheleOstropoler You gotta get yourself some marble columns from BK.NY.US Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Less than three
You gotta get yourself some marble columns
#1450: Apr 16th 2012 at 11:55:37 AM

Can we be reasonably sure that, on the whole, works determined by the council not to be porn or pedoshit will be restored/retained?

If so, there's still the problem that "pedoshit" is a hapax legomenon and not even defined on the "I know it when I see it" level.

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