Isn't that what Permanent Red Link Club is for?
PRLC is mostly tropes right now; I'm ok with adding works under a heading explaining that they're porn.
The child is father to the man —OedipusFrom my perspective, the safe route would not be taking any action prior to acquiring more information.
That's why I'm trying to make sure the council is knowledgeable in general about all the different forms of fiction. My goal is to move away from the point where Fast Eddie, or anyone else, is forced to make a decision without possessing knowledge of the issue at hand.
Expergiscēre cras, medior quam hodie. (Awaken tomorrow, better than today.)For the people who were looking for the fanfic recs, the Internet Archive is your friend, although the latest archived page is from last year
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(I've been trying to play catch-up for the past 50+ pages, so...)
For those who are requesting the immediate return of pages like Lolita, where the literary merit of the work supposedly exceeds the controversial content, I'd like to offer an alternative viewpoint. I agree with those who feel that the indiscriminate cutting of pages was a mistake - an understandable one, given the circumstances. The damage has already been done. But I would suggest putting such pages through council vetting instead:
- It's fair. If we want to ensure that the decision to cut or keep is not based on snap judgements, then it should apply uniformly to any sufficiently-controversial work that comes under scrutiny.
- It allows us to validate the system. If these works are as clear-cut as is claimed, they should pass without issue - but if we get an unexpected (for the vast majority) result, perhaps the vetting process is the one that needs refining.
I believe that knee-jerk reactions won't help matters, no matter what form they come in or who they're executed by, and I just hope that the process by which works are selected / rejected is transparent enough for the average troper to see and understand, even if he / she may not completely agree with the final decision.
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edited 16th Apr '12 10:37:48 AM by Pyrite
Not a substitute for a formal medical consultation.A quick check of Fan Fic Recommendations showed more good than bad, so they are restored. The bad will still be weeded out shortly.
Goal: Clear, Concise and WittySpecifically, several links are in need of braces to work properly, like the Yugioh ones.
edited 16th Apr '12 10:25:41 AM by MarqFJA
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.I just want to reiterate this, because I think it applies to both the tropers and the staff. The initial reactions are always the strongest ones, and I don't think that those are what should determine overall policy. It would help a lot for both sides of the discussion to just have some patience. On the staff side, I think it would really help put a lot of fears to rest if all the cutting gets stopped until the council is established so it won't create more work for them if they have to put stuff back. Not to mention that one the porn and hentai indexes were cut, it probably took out the majority of the inappropriate work. The stuff that's left is probably obscure enough that it won't cause any problems in the next few days or so, and if it does it can still be cut easily.
On the troper side, I think we just need to chill for a bit and wait for the moderation to finish putting the council together. I realize that everyone (myself included) wants to see action, but the more time they spend putting the council together and making sure it'll work, the more likely it will work. I have no doubt that they could have gotten it up and running sooner, but if it had just been thrown together in a day it would be much less likely to function well, and we'd have to scrap the idea and go back to square one. This is a big enough issue that we can't just throw together a quick solution.
@Eddie: Awesome.
edited 16th Apr '12 10:29:32 AM by JapaneseTeeth
Reaction Image RepositoryI thought Martello was posting here and thus should've gotten the memo about not cutlisting anything yet?
edited 16th Apr '12 10:33:52 AM by MarqFJA
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.I wasn't aware of that "memo." I know we're not supposed to cutlist "questionable" things, but I didn't think that page was very questionable. I was alerted to it and checked it out, actually went through a few issues of the manga on mangareader.com, and it looked pretty bad.
If I'm wrong the cutmaster won't cut it, and then it will come up for discussion once the committee convenes.
edited 16th Apr '12 10:34:52 AM by Martello
"Did anybody invent this stuff on purpose?" - Phillip Marlowe on tequila, Finger Man by Raymond Chandler.There was a moratorium on cutlisting pages for "pedoshit" or "porn" until the council convenes over a dozen pages ago. And the cited page only depicts an Imagine Spot; from the character's reaction, he never does such a thing.
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.I'm looking at the various fanfic tropes- would it be safe to assume links to explicit fanfic fall under the new policy, since Fanfic Recs was pulled down for that reason?
I probably should have asked this sooner.
Debbie Does Dallas is the codifier for a couple of porn title tropes, which show up in works that are not pornographic.
That's the problem. No one thinks the stuff they want to cut is questionable.
edited 16th Apr '12 10:44:27 AM by HersheleOstropoler
The child is father to the man —Oedipus
Yes. It's best not to do anything right now and not act on personal judgement even if it's highly justified.
@Martello -_-
edited 16th Apr '12 10:52:35 AM by encrypted12345
Full Battle ModeWhere do non-pornographic fics that happen to be hosted on a Kink Meme stand? There's a few of those on the recs for one of my main fandoms.
edited 16th Apr '12 10:49:13 AM by InsanityPrelude
Is that a new policy change? Because in the previous cleanup threads it was repeatedly said that links to, or that went through, a warning page were acceptable.
edited 16th Apr '12 11:16:03 AM by lebrel
Calling someone a pedant is an automatic Insult Backfire. Real pedants will be flattered.

Is there going to be an Index Prohibitorum Paginarum visible to readers, of works that have been cut and aren't coming back? It may be helpful in discouraging people from linking those, or even adding them as examples, and could give people some guidance as to what works are likely to be disallowed without there having to be rules that can be lawyered
The child is father to the man —Oedipus