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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#901: Apr 15th 2012 at 1:45:06 PM

[up][up][up]The Cut Masters will be informed that they may not accept any rogue cut request.

edited 15th Apr '12 1:45:26 PM by SeptimusHeap

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
FastEddie Since: Apr, 2004
#902: Apr 15th 2012 at 1:45:10 PM

^^ That only works if it is clearly porn.

Goal: Clear, Concise and Witty
Belian In honor of my 50lb pup from 42 Since: Jan, 2001
In honor of my 50lb pup
#903: Apr 15th 2012 at 1:59:21 PM

Like I said, I was still a few pages back, before The Fast One had made any comments.

So here is the process as I understand:

  1. A work is proposed/flagged to the council for review
  2. They converse/debate about it.
  3. If necessary, they open a thread with a post summarizing the points they want elaboration on and asking for input and no general arguments allowed.
  4. They come to a decision and make an announcement summarizing their reasons.

Things like showing the actual discussion that the council has should be unnecessary to the process.

As for an appeal process, why not make it a crowner? "Do you agree or disagree with the council's decision on _____?" If there is a consensuses (not just a simple majority) that people don't agree with it, then we can spend time on going back to the work/trope to re-examine it.

(no spell check at the moment, just pm PM if there is a mistake I should fix)

edited 15th Apr '12 8:55:42 PM by Belian

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HersheleOstropoler You gotta get yourself some marble columns from BK.NY.US Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Less than three
You gotta get yourself some marble columns
#904: Apr 15th 2012 at 2:01:24 PM

The trouble with saying "well, if it's obviously porn, we'll just cut it" is that that's precisely what this process is meant to address.

The child is father to the man —Oedipus
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#905: Apr 15th 2012 at 2:04:10 PM

[up][up]No crowner, presumably because these tend to attract the unqualified folks.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Belian In honor of my 50lb pup from 42 Since: Jan, 2001
In honor of my 50lb pup
#906: Apr 15th 2012 at 2:09:18 PM

I thought that that part might not go over well, but note that it would just be for appeals and have no effect on the decisions themselves. Not to mention the "not just a simple majority" part.

And we could always keep it down to the "one appeal per work" rule.

edited 15th Apr '12 8:54:58 PM by Belian

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Nocturna Since: May, 2011
#907: Apr 15th 2012 at 2:11:49 PM

I have to agree with Hershele here. I thought that the entire point of the council was to prevent pages being cut based entirely on the understanding of a single person. If a work is obviously porn, the council will decide it should be cut. If it's just been misrepresented, the council will prevent a misinformed cut from happening. I think a delay of a few hours or days (depending on what policies are decided upon) in removing objectionable content is less harmful than the erroneous cutting of non-objectionable content.

If cutmasters are still allowed to use their own opinion to cut pages for reasons of this policy, that completely obviates both the point and the authority of the council.

If Eddie wants to go that direction (allowing cutmasters that authority), he can, because it's his site, but there's going to be a lot of upset tropers and a lot of (reasonably) very nervous tropers, worried that non-porn works will end up misrepresented and cut*

. If cutmasters aren't allowed that authority, then all cuts based on the policy should be declined unless they are placed as a result of a council decision, by a member of the council.

edited 15th Apr '12 2:21:59 PM by Nocturna

HersheleOstropoler You gotta get yourself some marble columns from BK.NY.US Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Less than three
You gotta get yourself some marble columns
#908: Apr 15th 2012 at 2:12:44 PM

I'm fine with the amicus curiae model, anyone can present an opinion, but the panel can disregard those opinions.

Again, unless TPTB are okay with each panel decision (over and above the existence and remit of the panel in the first place) being seen as imposed from on high.

The child is father to the man —Oedipus
DarkConfidant Since: Aug, 2011
#909: Apr 15th 2012 at 2:16:24 PM

Nocturna has summed up concerns I share with her, so I will let her post speak for me as well regarding the authority of the committee.

edited 15th Apr '12 2:21:17 PM by DarkConfidant

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#910: Apr 15th 2012 at 2:18:36 PM

Agree with Nocturna here. Any sort of "cut master discretion" is simply an open door for misuse, and doesn't really do anything that the council can't do.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Martello Hammer of the Pervs from Black River, NY Since: Jan, 2001
Hammer of the Pervs
#911: Apr 15th 2012 at 2:19:33 PM

[up][up]Nocturna is a lady.

I believe a significant part of the council's job will be to prevent non-porn works from being cut, for the same reasons Nocturna listed. She's right in saying that it isn't a strawman - several works have been cut that probably should not have been. However, everyone needs to be reasonable and mature about this while the process is being hashed out. It's pretty understandable that some snap decisions were made considering some of the other works pages that were cut, and rightfully so.

edited 15th Apr '12 2:25:08 PM by Martello

"Did anybody invent this stuff on purpose?" - Phillip Marlowe on tequila, Finger Man by Raymond Chandler.
KingZeal Since: Oct, 2009
#912: Apr 15th 2012 at 2:19:39 PM

Since it went relatively unanswered last time, let me bring this up again.

Would it be against site policy if a Troper (using myself as an example, because I have the aim to do it) created an indpendent forum page to salvage the more explicit works/tropes from this site, and created a Works page linking to that site?

I just want legitimate pages, whether explicit or not, to find a place to stay depsite what Moral Guardians may say in opposition.

edited 15th Apr '12 2:20:08 PM by KingZeal

DarkConfidant Since: Aug, 2011
#913: Apr 15th 2012 at 2:20:49 PM

[up][up] My apologies. I should not assume too much, and here I go assuming too much. :/

Fixed.

edited 15th Apr '12 2:21:28 PM by DarkConfidant

Catbert Since: Jan, 2012
#914: Apr 15th 2012 at 2:21:24 PM

King Zeal, I can't imagine that this wiki would have any authority at all over a truly independent website, so what you want to create depends on what resources you are able and willing to invest in such a project.

Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#915: Apr 15th 2012 at 2:25:08 PM

@ King Zeal: I've been trying to talk to the people at the Fetish Fuel Wiki, but I'm not getting a lot of response. That would be the logical place to put everything.

Writing a post-post apocalypse LitRPG on RR. Also fanfic stuff.
Nocturna Since: May, 2011
#916: Apr 15th 2012 at 2:32:18 PM

@Martello: I understand why those cuts happened, and agree that legitimately objectionable stuff was cut as well. And while I'm not pleased that mistakes were made, I'm not that upset. It's a time of major flux, a lot of decisions were made in the heat of the moment, and it spurred the process of working out some necessary rules, limits, guidelines, and processes. I just don't want to see such mistakes keep getting made, as I believe that will legitimately harm the wiki, both internally and reputation-wise.

animeg3282 Since: Jan, 2001
#917: Apr 15th 2012 at 2:32:45 PM
Thumped: Please see The Rules . This is a warning that this post is the sort of thing that will get you suspended.
Martello Hammer of the Pervs from Black River, NY Since: Jan, 2001
Hammer of the Pervs
#918: Apr 15th 2012 at 2:34:15 PM

@Nocturna - Sorry, I should have been more clear. I didn't mean to indicate that you weren't being reasonable and mature. I just wanted to build on your point and help put in perspective for everybody else.

"Did anybody invent this stuff on purpose?" - Phillip Marlowe on tequila, Finger Man by Raymond Chandler.
jkbeta from right behind you Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
#919: Apr 15th 2012 at 2:36:45 PM

[up][up] More precisely, you can view these works *legally*.

animeg3282 Since: Jan, 2001
#920: Apr 15th 2012 at 2:38:38 PM

Oh, yea, that is true. The works there have been licensed by american companies and are 'broadcast' there.

Vyctorian ◥▶◀◤ from Domhain Sceal Since: Mar, 2011
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#921: Apr 15th 2012 at 2:41:22 PM

Crunchy Roll is an official legal stream site for some anime, all the anime they show they have the contracts for. It's like Netflix or Hulu but only for anime.

edited 15th Apr '12 2:45:07 PM by Vyctorian

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Catbert Since: Jan, 2012
#922: Apr 15th 2012 at 2:42:45 PM

Hulu and You Tube also have some anime show legally broadcast there, as well as other types of shows.

Belian In honor of my 50lb pup from 42 Since: Jan, 2001
In honor of my 50lb pup
#923: Apr 15th 2012 at 2:42:48 PM

@ the "works being cut on the say of a single person": It was mentioned in the other thread that Eddie and Janitor are two of those "single people." So if they are the ones who cut the pages/works in question... Well, we won't have much of an argument against it.

Also, the warnings posted here were more about work pages that got put on the Cut List but were not cut. And because they were not cut, we can't tell exactly how bad the Cut List items were. People are making assumptions without having access to all the pertinent information.

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Catbert Since: Jan, 2012
#924: Apr 15th 2012 at 2:44:32 PM

"the warnings posted here were more about work pages that got put on the Cut List but were not cut."

No one ever said "Don't cutlist something that won't get cut". They said to stop cutlisting things. Also, you don't know in advance what will be cut, so such a warning would be rather silly.

Vyctorian ◥▶◀◤ from Domhain Sceal Since: Mar, 2011
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#925: Apr 15th 2012 at 2:44:34 PM

This couldn't have come at a worse time for the Cut List either, it's getting so much traffic due to all the new web-original name spaces.

Sorry I just realized I'm having sympathy for an inanimate program again.

edited 15th Apr '12 2:47:46 PM by Vyctorian

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