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setnakhte That's terrifying. from inside your closet Since: Nov, 2010
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#576: Apr 14th 2012 at 10:54:17 PM

[up][up]Once it has been decided which must go and which can stay. So sometime between tomorrow and the heat-death of the universe.

[up]I'm not trying to be rude, sorry if I came off as it.

edited 14th Apr '12 10:55:54 PM by setnakhte

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AnnoR "Of course, Satsuki-sama." from Honnouji Academy Since: Sep, 2010
"Of course, Satsuki-sama."
#577: Apr 14th 2012 at 10:55:54 PM

Creeping on real children is a real problem and is incredibly wrong and disgusting. However, depending on the context, when it's in a work it might not merit removal. For example, Lolita itself has a vast amount of literary merit and is studied in some schools. There are plenty of other stories that include pedophile characters and does not endorse their actions or thoughts(while I find this disturbing, it's usually the intent in such works).

So, it's contextual.

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TheManInBlack Since: Oct, 2009
#578: Apr 14th 2012 at 10:55:55 PM

@abstractematics

I'm curious why you think that setting up a PG-13 type guidelines for this site would anyway harm this site? How can that in any way be detrimental?

setnakhte That's terrifying. from inside your closet Since: Nov, 2010
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#579: Apr 14th 2012 at 10:56:25 PM

[up][up]I meant creeping by tropers.

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abstractematics Since: May, 2011
#580: Apr 14th 2012 at 10:56:46 PM

@Man in Black

Oh, no, I'm not saying that. Quite the opposite. I want it included in a core guideline, up to the level of no notability and no negativity.

edited 14th Apr '12 11:03:47 PM by abstractematics

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AnnoR "Of course, Satsuki-sama." from Honnouji Academy Since: Sep, 2010
"Of course, Satsuki-sama."
#581: Apr 14th 2012 at 10:57:28 PM

[up][up]Well, that should be fairly easy to remove and should hardly require extensive cuts like this.

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HersheleOstropoler You gotta get yourself some marble columns from BK.NY.US Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Less than three
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#582: Apr 14th 2012 at 10:57:33 PM

It's not detrimental to be PG 13; it's harmful — chilling — to say "we cover everything in a PG 13 way" when that's not actually the rules.

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setnakhte That's terrifying. from inside your closet Since: Nov, 2010
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#583: Apr 14th 2012 at 10:58:09 PM

[up][up]I include having pages on lolicon and shotacon anime and manga as creeping.

edited 14th Apr '12 10:58:42 PM by setnakhte

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abstractematics Since: May, 2011
#584: Apr 14th 2012 at 10:58:32 PM

[up][up]Well, maybe PG-13 isn't the best way to state it, but I mean a guideline that actually corresponds to this change: a fair principle that's worth calling a defining feature of a site.

edited 14th Apr '12 11:00:44 PM by abstractematics

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AnnoR "Of course, Satsuki-sama." from Honnouji Academy Since: Sep, 2010
"Of course, Satsuki-sama."
#585: Apr 14th 2012 at 10:58:59 PM

Are the pages filled with gushing? Is it described in a positive manner? Last time I checked, that's not the case.

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Nocturna Since: May, 2011
#586: Apr 14th 2012 at 10:59:28 PM

To a mod: Could you give us an update on where you are in the council-forming process? Are you still discussing people? Have invitations been sent out? Any other pertinent information you can mention? It would be nice to get a sense of how quickly things are moving regarding that.

encrypted12345 Since: Jun, 2010
#587: Apr 14th 2012 at 10:59:52 PM

[up] @Sehankh...... Isn't a good thing that those pages informed about the existence of the people you hate?

Those pages were cut for a good reason, but creeping by tropers wasn't it.

edited 14th Apr '12 11:00:32 PM by encrypted12345

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setnakhte That's terrifying. from inside your closet Since: Nov, 2010
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#588: Apr 14th 2012 at 11:00:31 PM

[up][up][up]If it's not a scathing condemnation, it's still implicit advertisement and endorsement.

e:[up]pardon? I'm having a little trouble reading that post.

edited 14th Apr '12 11:01:52 PM by setnakhte

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Enthryn (they/them) Since: Nov, 2010
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#589: Apr 14th 2012 at 11:02:36 PM

[up] Wikipedia manages to describe things in a neutral manner without saying "And That's Terrible", but still doesn't end up appearing to endorse the things it describes.

AnnoR "Of course, Satsuki-sama." from Honnouji Academy Since: Sep, 2010
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#590: Apr 14th 2012 at 11:03:38 PM

I disagree with that. There's no reason something can't be explained in a civil manner that does not endorse it. I don't endorse such works(with the exception of one in particular, as it is an extremely interesting character study and has a story detailing many psychological issues with the characters, though I still have to skip some pages that make me uncomfortable), but I do not believe there is no way to record them that is neither endorsement of the acts within or scathing condemnation.

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setnakhte That's terrifying. from inside your closet Since: Nov, 2010
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#591: Apr 14th 2012 at 11:04:04 PM

[up][up]We Are Not Wikipedia. Also, it has been made abundantly clear that those works are not welcome here. Not to mention that, unlike us, Wikipedia has notability guidelines.

[up]We are still talking about pædo-porn here, right?

edited 14th Apr '12 11:04:49 PM by setnakhte

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billybobfred Cosine! from renamed to wingedcatgirl Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#592: Apr 14th 2012 at 11:04:37 PM

588: You could just as easily say that not gushing about something is implicit condemnation. Which is just as false. It's only an endorsement if we're endorsing it.

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Vyctorian ◥▶◀◤ from Domhain Sceal Since: Mar, 2011
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#593: Apr 14th 2012 at 11:05:09 PM

@set I'm not sure of the name but I know that's a form of ad hominem.

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encrypted12345 Since: Jun, 2010
#594: Apr 14th 2012 at 11:05:14 PM

[up][up][up] Wait, it's that confusing?

Ahem. Those pages contained information about the type of people you hated. So they informed the public of their existance and created more haters of that same thing.

@Anno R As a psych major, I like that series, too.

edited 14th Apr '12 11:06:34 PM by encrypted12345

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setnakhte That's terrifying. from inside your closet Since: Nov, 2010
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#595: Apr 14th 2012 at 11:05:36 PM

[up][up]What is?

[up]Ah, thanks, I for some reason couldn't parse the original post. Also: those pages were more of a "Here's what it is, and here's a list of works you can use to get your rocks off if you're one of them!"

edited 14th Apr '12 11:08:16 PM by setnakhte

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abstractematics Since: May, 2011
#596: Apr 14th 2012 at 11:05:37 PM

@setnakhte

Anno and Enthryn are talking about a quality of a good site that Wikipedia possesses, not just Wikipedia itself. "We are not a Wikipedia" won't cut it.

Like I said, it's possible to not have PG-13, etc. and still be an informative site. That's why, if we are having that policy, we have to make it a core guideline, because it's part of what shapes this site.

edited 14th Apr '12 11:08:30 PM by abstractematics

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AnnoR "Of course, Satsuki-sama." from Honnouji Academy Since: Sep, 2010
"Of course, Satsuki-sama."
#597: Apr 14th 2012 at 11:06:14 PM

@setnahkte: Not porn. The subject matter is uncomfortable(I'm under the impression that it is intended to be), but it is not porn.

Outright porn isn't worth bothering with to begin with, and shouldn't be on this site.

edited 14th Apr '12 11:06:33 PM by AnnoR

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Vyctorian ◥▶◀◤ from Domhain Sceal Since: Mar, 2011
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#598: Apr 14th 2012 at 11:06:43 PM

If it's not a scathing condemnation, it's still implicit advertisement and endorsement

That.

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encrypted12345 Since: Jun, 2010
#599: Apr 14th 2012 at 11:07:36 PM

[up][up][up][up] Your logical fallacy. I know that it is one, but I can't recall the name either.

edited 14th Apr '12 11:07:46 PM by encrypted12345

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abstractematics Since: May, 2011
#600: Apr 14th 2012 at 11:07:40 PM

edited 14th Apr '12 11:11:55 PM by abstractematics

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