Sure, pay me what DC pays their average Bat-writer and I'll lay it out for you.
Let's See YOU Do Better! and its variants aren't valid answers to criticism.
So, now that Death Of The Family is over, what's the best order to read it in? Could I get away with just reading Batman #13-17?
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Okay, you're right. Let's See YOU Do Better! is not a good response to criticism.
It's just that...I see "Do not want this" and variants of this across the Internet. After a while, I just sit there and think, "Okay, I get what you don't want. I really do. What I really want to know is...what do you want?" <Raises eyebrow>
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I'd like the Joker to have his face back. Cause the way he is now...
One Strip! One Strip!So new Batman Inc tomorrow. Who thinks Damian is gonna die? On the one hand Morrison created him. On the other hand not even he could get Steph and Cass in the book. On the foot, having an ongoing called Batman and Robin without Robin seems silly. On the other foot, Harper Row could be the new Robin and actually do something.
Damian's too popular. I could see them killing off Tim-in-Name-Only, though.
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Goodnight, sweet prince, and flights of bats sing thee to thy rest.
And at least now we can have Steph or Tim as Robin.
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Steph never existed, and Tim was never a Robin... or Tim.
I read the Dark Knight 17 and damn I loved Batman's trolling in it. He's talking to Gordan and gordan says nows the past where ill turn around and youre gone, he turns around and batman still there says so. Then they leave tvia the door.
edited 4th Mar '13 4:32:35 AM by Deadpoolrocks
Tim should never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever go back to being Robin. That would be terrible.
He was, in my opinion the best Robin, but Robin is a child's identity once a hero gives it up, going back is just juvenile.
They won't go too long without someone in the Robin identity, if only for copyright reasons.
They screwed with Tim so much that one wonders why they didn't just write him out for the New 52. They just kinda slapped his name on a poorly thought-out non-entity, and folded the best part of his origin into Dick's origin. Let me say, too, that, while I liked Tim as a character, I hated his origin for the most part. WAY too convoluted, in my opinion.
edited 4th Mar '13 2:13:20 PM by Robbery
Poor Damian Wayne. He's become the new Jason Todd. It was just terrible that he got Killed Off for Real.
<Sniff>
I would say that Talia al Ghul has crossed the Moral Event Horizon into a Complete Monster, by her proving that she not only Would Hurt a Child but murder him, her own son! Let's face it, that creepy Femme Fatale may look like an angel, but underneath it all, she's just a ghoul! <Rage>
I am hopeful that Damian will come back. He's at least a B-List character, so there's at least a 50% chance of him coming back. <Sad Smile>
Oh, Equestria, we stand on guard for thee!I understand that Talia al Ghul is supposed to be morally ambiguous. That still makes her untrustworthy.
I will agree that Grant Morrison is subjecting her to major Character Derailment. In fact, he said this in one interview:
"For a long time, [DC] said [Son of the Demon] was out of continuity. Now it's just kind of out of continuity. I didn't actually read it before I started writing this. I messed up a lot of details, like Batman wasn't drugged when he was having sex with Talia and it didn't take place in the desert. I was relying on shaky memories. But now we have this new "Superboy punch" continuity [after Superboy Prime attacked the fabric of the universe during Infinite Crisis]. People still don't realize how important that single punch was to cover everyone's ass."
I guess the sad truth is that GM is as flawed and human as the rest of us.
WAS Damian supposed to be the baby from the end of Son of the Demon? I thought it was hinted that Talia had him genetically engineered from a mix of her own and Bruce's DNA.
Talia, apparently, is only morally ambiguous when Dennis O'Neil or Mike W. Barr is writing her. She turns into a complete sociopath when Morrison gets hold of her...
I think I remember that Batman And Son had Batman confronting Talia about them having a kid and being like "Aha! You date-raped me that one time in the desert! Low blow."
^^I'm still binging through Grant Morrison's Batman run (I'm up to Batman Inc before the reboot) and frankly all of his villains are hammy sociopaths as far as I can tell.
It's annoying cause I loved how he handled Luthor in All-Star Supes and Brainiac/Mxypltk in Action Comics and meanwhile fucking everyone in Batman is cackling and prattling on about how evil they are.
edited 7th Mar '13 10:22:09 PM by ShadowScythe

I haven't read this arc, or most of most of the ones you metioned. But I think some of them have one up on this one in that they were an attempt by some writers to reduce the impact of the increasingly massive Bat family, Do F doesn't even seem to be doing it for that reason, just for the drama.
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