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C0mraid from Here and there Since: Aug, 2010
#301: Feb 19th 2013 at 6:39:15 AM

[up] I haven't read this arc, or most of most of the ones you metioned. But I think some of them have one up on this one in that they were an attempt by some writers to reduce the impact of the increasingly massive Bat family, Do F doesn't even seem to be doing it for that reason, just for the drama.

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NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#302: Feb 19th 2013 at 9:15:06 AM

Sure, pay me what DC pays their average Bat-writer and I'll lay it out for you.

Let's See YOU Do Better! and its variants aren't valid answers to criticism.

RedM Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
#303: Feb 19th 2013 at 5:22:20 PM

So, now that Death Of The Family is over, what's the best order to read it in? Could I get away with just reading Batman #13-17?

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TiggersAreGreat Since: Mar, 2011
#304: Feb 19th 2013 at 6:12:15 PM

[up][up] Okay, you're right. Let's See YOU Do Better! is not a good response to criticism.

It's just that...I see "Do not want this" and variants of this across the Internet. After a while, I just sit there and think, "Okay, I get what you don't want. I really do. What I really want to know is...what do you want?" <Raises eyebrow>

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ShadowScythe from Australia Since: Dec, 2009
#305: Feb 20th 2013 at 1:13:52 AM

^^Yes, the tie ins are not great, but then I wasn't particularly impressed with the main storyline either.

But either way Batman 13-17 is all you need to understand the story.

edited 20th Feb '13 1:19:40 AM by ShadowScythe

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#306: Feb 22nd 2013 at 9:11:26 PM

what do you want?

Me personally?

I'd like the Joker to have his face back. Cause the way he is now...

Kinda gross.sad

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Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#307: Feb 26th 2013 at 12:47:53 PM

So new Batman Inc tomorrow. Who thinks Damian is gonna die? On the one hand Morrison created him. On the other hand not even he could get Steph and Cass in the book. On the foot, having an ongoing called Batman and Robin without Robin seems silly. On the other foot, Harper Row could be the new Robin and actually do something.

RedM Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
#308: Feb 26th 2013 at 8:42:54 PM

Damian's too popular. I could see them killing off Tim-in-Name-Only, though.

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HekirekiNoMakai Death Comes To All from /人◕‿‿ʘÉ Since: Apr, 2010
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#309: Mar 2nd 2013 at 10:52:48 AM

[up] ....sad

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RedM Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
#310: Mar 3rd 2013 at 4:04:40 PM

NOOOOOOOOOO! Curse you Grant! May you be punched to death in your high-falutin' Scottish face! You maniacs! You blew him up! Damn you all to hell! Planet Of The Apes reference!

Goodnight, sweet prince, and flights of bats sing thee to thy rest.

And at least now we can have Steph or Tim as Robin.

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Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#311: Mar 3rd 2013 at 8:50:50 PM

[up]Steph never existed, and Tim was never a Robin... or Tim.

I read the Dark Knight 17 and damn I loved Batman's trolling in it. He's talking to Gordan and gordan says nows the past where ill turn around and youre gone, he turns around and batman still there says so. Then they leave tvia the door.

edited 4th Mar '13 4:32:35 AM by Deadpoolrocks

TheConductor Since: Jan, 2011
#312: Mar 4th 2013 at 10:26:53 AM

Tim should never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever go back to being Robin. That would be terrible.

He was, in my opinion the best Robin, but Robin is a child's identity once a hero gives it up, going back is just juvenile.

NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#313: Mar 4th 2013 at 10:28:53 AM

Eh, from what I've seen, being 'Red Robin' doesn't add much to being 'Robin' other than the word 'Red'.

Robbery Since: Jul, 2012
#314: Mar 4th 2013 at 2:01:29 PM

They won't go too long without someone in the Robin identity, if only for copyright reasons.

[up] They screwed with Tim so much that one wonders why they didn't just write him out for the New 52. They just kinda slapped his name on a poorly thought-out non-entity, and folded the best part of his origin into Dick's origin. Let me say, too, that, while I liked Tim as a character, I hated his origin for the most part. WAY too convoluted, in my opinion.

edited 4th Mar '13 2:13:20 PM by Robbery

TiggersAreGreat Since: Mar, 2011
#315: Mar 6th 2013 at 2:42:20 PM

Poor Damian Wayne. He's become the new Jason Todd. It was just terrible that he got Killed Off for Real. sad<Sniff>

I would say that Talia al Ghul has crossed the Moral Event Horizon into a Complete Monster, by her proving that she not only Would Hurt a Child but murder him, her own son! Let's face it, that creepy Femme Fatale may look like an angel, but underneath it all, she's just a ghoul! <Rage>

I am hopeful that Damian will come back. He's at least a B-List character, so there's at least a 50% chance of him coming back. <Sad Smile>

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Maridee from surfside Since: Nov, 2009 Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
#316: Mar 6th 2013 at 4:29:21 PM

[up] Dude. Talia was so OOC in that she couldn't even poke her prior characterization with a pole. She's not evil, she's morally ambiguous; or at least she should be.

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Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#317: Mar 6th 2013 at 7:53:53 PM

[up]But she has to be evil, she raped Batman

TiggersAreGreat Since: Mar, 2011
#318: Mar 7th 2013 at 5:17:09 AM

I understand that Talia al Ghul is supposed to be morally ambiguous. That still makes her untrustworthy.

I will agree that Grant Morrison is subjecting her to major Character Derailment. In fact, he said this in one interview:

"For a long time, [DC] said [Son of the Demon] was out of continuity. Now it's just kind of out of continuity. I didn't actually read it before I started writing this. I messed up a lot of details, like Batman wasn't drugged when he was having sex with Talia and it didn't take place in the desert. I was relying on shaky memories. But now we have this new "Superboy punch" continuity [after Superboy Prime attacked the fabric of the universe during Infinite Crisis]. People still don't realize how important that single punch was to cover everyone's ass."

I guess the sad truth is that GM is as flawed and human as the rest of us. sad

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NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#319: Mar 7th 2013 at 9:43:59 AM

Comics: The only line of work when you are excused to do something without bothering to realize what the hell are you exactly doing first.

Robbery Since: Jul, 2012
#320: Mar 7th 2013 at 9:31:37 PM

WAS Damian supposed to be the baby from the end of Son of the Demon? I thought it was hinted that Talia had him genetically engineered from a mix of her own and Bruce's DNA.

Talia, apparently, is only morally ambiguous when Dennis O'Neil or Mike W. Barr is writing her. She turns into a complete sociopath when Morrison gets hold of her...

RedM Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
#321: Mar 7th 2013 at 10:02:48 PM

[up]I think I remember that Batman And Son had Batman confronting Talia about them having a kid and being like "Aha! You date-raped me that one time in the desert! Low blow."

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ShadowScythe from Australia Since: Dec, 2009
#322: Mar 7th 2013 at 10:19:37 PM

^^I'm still binging through Grant Morrison's Batman run (I'm up to Batman Inc before the reboot) and frankly all of his villains are hammy sociopaths as far as I can tell.

It's annoying cause I loved how he handled Luthor in All-Star Supes and Brainiac/Mxypltk in Action Comics and meanwhile fucking everyone in Batman is cackling and prattling on about how evil they are.

edited 7th Mar '13 10:22:09 PM by ShadowScythe

NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#323: Mar 8th 2013 at 4:54:47 AM

Well, Morrison played Two-Face in A Serious House on Serious Earth quite sympathetically. His Harley Quinn in The Clown at Midnight was also just a delusional pitiful figure yearning for love.

Maridee from surfside Since: Nov, 2009 Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
#324: Mar 8th 2013 at 2:56:44 PM

@Deadpoolrocks: only when Morrison wrote her, not in any prior characterization. are you getting a sense of a theme here.

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Robbery Since: Jul, 2012
#325: Mar 9th 2013 at 2:43:36 PM

Hmm...also, in Son of the Demon, at no time did Talia "date-rape" Bruce. Is this an episode that's from an actual story somewhere, or did Morrison make it up?


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