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FantasyLiver Since: Oct, 2012
#276: Jan 19th 2013 at 5:33:26 PM

[up] I don't know if that was really crazy or really funny grin

TiggersAreGreat Since: Mar, 2011
#277: Jan 19th 2013 at 5:42:16 PM

I gotta say, Death Of The Family is raising some questions. A big one would be this: what does The Joker have in that cloche he's been showing several characters? Huh, I've never even heard of the word "cloche" before this story, and I thought I've heard them all! surprised

Oh, and there's this other thing that's been nagging at me...why does James Gordon Jr. suddenly care so much about his mother? It just seems Out of Character, considering that he was the one who gave her Joker Venom and led characters to believe that Joker did it! <Frowns>

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#278: Jan 19th 2013 at 7:13:35 PM

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Both. I think the inappropriate music really sells it.

Also liked the reference to Nintendo's Pro Wrestling

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Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#279: Jan 20th 2013 at 11:29:34 AM

[up][up]I too am wondering what is in the platter.

And about Jr. the answer is Simone is a bad writer on Babsgirl.

Distortion00 Since: Nov, 2011
#280: Jan 20th 2013 at 1:26:38 PM

Simone is pretty obviously dealing with tons of executive meddling.

Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#281: Jan 20th 2013 at 3:43:07 PM

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I think all the writers are. I dont think this many writers could write that many plotholes that contradict themselves constantly unless forced.

Distortion00 Since: Nov, 2011
#282: Jan 21st 2013 at 3:36:57 PM

So here are the conflicts in Batgirl 16 and my analysis of them:

Babs vs. Joker. Joker has Babs's mom hostage, Babs is trying to free her. Problem is, she doesn't come up with any kind of plan to free her mom. We're not even shown rough drafts of potential plans. She seems absolutely stumped. If Batgirl can't get a hostage away from a bomb, then she's just not very useful. It's all the more jarring because, as Oracle, she used to be one of the most intelligent members of the Bat family.

Joker vs. Babs. This should be a challenge. Babs is supposed to be really intelligent and good at planning. Instead, Joker seems to steamroll her in these departments, and fails in his plan only do to an unpredicted third party. However, this plot mistake can really be blamed on editorial. Babs is supposed to be the Smart Guy of the trope. If all of a sudden you're going to say "This villain is two steps a head of everyone.", then you need to be very careful not to undermine the Smart Guy 's shtick. Editorial doesn't want major plot revelations in Batgirl but are forcing a tie-in, which really hurts the book.

Junior vs. Himself. This is the most interesting part of this issue for me. What caused his change of heart? The issue should have assumed James perspective, talked about his motivations and showed him barging into the existing conflict between Babs and Joker. That would have been a good issue and it would have sidestepped editorial mandates.

RedM Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
#283: Jan 23rd 2013 at 9:25:41 PM

An acrobat who had both parents alive and then became Batman's partner? That's Tim Drake's new backstory? DC, you already have a Dick Grayson, you don't need two!

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Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#284: Jan 24th 2013 at 12:37:02 PM

Well Dick is the one who figured out who Batman was via body language, taking both Cass and Tim's things so they needed a new thing for Tim.

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#285: Jan 24th 2013 at 3:31:22 PM

Why keep Tim at all if they where just going to replace him with a character that is different in every way? DC didn't have any problem removing Steph and Cass from continuity, hell they removed Wally West from continuity when he was the Flash for an entire generation. Going down to just 3 Robin's would do wonders for Batman's timeline. And I say this as someone who really likes Tim Drake and despises Jason Todd. I mean at least they got Jason's character right, he was an unlikable douchebag before and he's an unlikable douchebag now.

NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#286: Jan 24th 2013 at 5:25:04 PM

So Tim is basically Pre-Crisis Jason Todd now?

TiggersAreGreat Since: Mar, 2011
#287: Jan 24th 2013 at 5:59:43 PM

Hmm. Now that's interesting. Dick Grayson, Jason Todd and Tim Drake are definitely three major characters when it comes to Batman. I hope the writers are careful not to make them interchangeable. If you have three characters who are pretty much the same, then you would be better off getting rid of two of them! sad

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Robbery Since: Jul, 2012
#288: Jan 24th 2013 at 10:58:37 PM

It sounds like they invested so little in the New 52 Tim that one has to wonder why they kept him around at all. With all those writers, they couldn't have come up with a better origin then that?

I used to entertain the idea to retcon things so that Batman had all three of the Robins (Dick, Jason, and Tim) at the same time. They'd rotate their Robin duties so that Batman'd always have two in reserve, and they all look enough alike that people would think there was only one.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#289: Jan 25th 2013 at 3:15:15 PM

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He can do the same thing for the Betty, Barbara, Cassandra and Stephanie as well.

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Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#290: Jan 25th 2013 at 3:21:49 PM

[up]Eh Bette is Flamebird and kinda ingrained with Batwoman now. But ive seen a lot of people whod like a Batgirl's book with Steph, and Cass as the main Batgirl's, and Barbara as Oracle running things behind the scenes.

Robbery Since: Jul, 2012
#291: Jan 25th 2013 at 11:18:47 PM

I'm a strict Batman and Robin guy myself. Never really warmed up to Batgirl/Batwoman/whathaveyou. The Bat-Family is MUCH too large, in my opinion. For instance, it used to bother me a bit that when Babs became Oracle, suddenly Batman NEEDED Oracle. He used to be able to gather all his information on his own. I dislike the diminishment of established characters to justify the existence of new characters.

Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#292: Jan 26th 2013 at 5:28:26 AM

He still did gther info on his own. Babs just made it much much much much easier. Plus she did that for the whole DCU heroes.

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#293: Jan 31st 2013 at 8:27:40 AM

Batman and Robin 16 was nice. A good mix out of heartwearming and funny. Especially if one hears Damian's Batman voice with Christian Bales Batman voice in ones head....

edited 31st Jan '13 8:30:55 AM by 3of4

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Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#294: Jan 31st 2013 at 9:46:12 AM

You mean the actual issue or the annual? The issue was Do TF, the annual was the scavenger hunt thing

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#295: Jan 31st 2013 at 11:26:25 AM

Oh, than I meant the annual.

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ShadowScythe from Australia Since: Dec, 2009
#296: Feb 17th 2013 at 2:03:43 AM

I'm currently reading through Grant Morrison's run of Batman. I just finished Batman R.I.P. And I'm so confused! Is this normal? I mean I knew his stuff referenced Silve Age comics so I googled the relevant issues and read up on them so I could understand his run and I'm still incredibly confused.

What bothers me is (and I'll spoiler all of them just in case):

Who is Dr Hurt? I don't understand why he's doing all this to Bruce or what exactly he's trying to achieve? Is this something that'll be explained in a later storyline?

At a certain point Joker starts asking Bruce if he 'gets' the whole red and black motif. What's the significance or Red and Black?

I liked the silver age references but what was the reason for it? Was there a specific reason for Morrison drawing on Batman's rich history to build this story? Is there some deeper meaning that I'm missing here? I ask because I'm familiar with some of Grant Morrison's stories and I just don't think he'd reference random stuff if there wasn't a point to it.

NickTheSwing Since: Aug, 2009
#297: Feb 17th 2013 at 4:52:35 PM

Hey, so, uh, did the Batfamily in the Joker's lair...did they really lose their faces? How the hell do you recover from something like that?

I mean, made insane in some way, fed your faces (apparently), I mean, what the hell happened?

TiggersAreGreat Since: Mar, 2011
#298: Feb 18th 2013 at 3:25:07 PM

Joker didn't cut off their faces at all, they're completely intact. It was just part of The Joker's mind games.

Joker has disappeared once again, but I have no doubt that Joker Immunity covered him. Besides, he didn't really care about the Bat-Family's secret identities, so it's not like Death by Secret Identity was going to get him.

Batman claims that he knows Joker's name, his past, his family, everything. But I think he was just bluffing.

No one in the Bat-Family actually died, but Joker succeeded in driving a wedge between them and Batman. Hey, at least Scott Snyder knows better than to resort to that cheap tasteless shock value comic book writers are too fond of using.

Oh, and did you guys catch the bit at the end where Joker's toxin contains the element hahnium, whose element symbol is "Ha"? Okay, I have to admit, that was actually pretty funny! [lol]

edited 18th Feb '13 3:25:48 PM by TiggersAreGreat

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NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#299: Feb 18th 2013 at 5:37:53 PM

So in the end, this is yet another 'Batman, due to the large scale machinations of villain, combined with his own lack of tact, ends up distanced from his alienated allies' story? Let me guess, next comes the 'Rebuild trust between the Batfamily just so it's broken again for the next mega story' arc, right?

Jesus, they have been reusing that since Knightfall, through No Man's Land, Fugitive, War Games, you count it... Hell, even Tower of Babel used the same basic principle, but with the JLA... Get yourselves some new structures, guys. At least Morrison went for a different angle.

TiggersAreGreat Since: Mar, 2011
#300: Feb 19th 2013 at 4:25:11 AM

[up] If you don't mind me asking, what new structure would you like to see? The Batman franchise has existed for almost 74 years, and I imagine a franchise that long-lived has probably covered just about everything you can think of.

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