how's that different from:
Personally, I find the idea of doing good to get into Heaven insulting. The reason I do good is to please the people around me, not gather points for some ultimate reward.
Wether I believe or not is irrelevant. I just want to make other people happier.
They assed first. I am only retaliating in an ass way. -The Dead Man's LifeI do what I believe to be right. Other people's happiness or otherwise is largely irrelevent, though if they aren't bad people they should be happy to see that the right thing has been done.
My fate in the Hereafter doesn't really come in to it. What's right is right and is not changed by threat or reward.
edited 13th Apr '12 9:29:57 AM by InverurieJones
'All he needs is for somebody to throw handgrenades at him for the rest of his life...'
x3 If it's a hypothetical situation where you accept that there's a heaven, why would you ask "What if the hypothetical situation doesn't have heaven"? You're not talking about the same thing.
but I am. My whole point is that you can't simply neglect the hypothetical scenario in order to just answer with some wanky misotheist shit of your own fancy because it misses the spirit of the very question that is being posited.
"My life is my own" | If you want to contact me privately, please ask first on the forum.I don't get what you're saying.
You said, "The question simply doesn't work if there isn't a heaven in the hypothetical scnario it's positing."
But the hypothetical situation does establish that there is a heaven available as an option.
So if you're not interested in that question, why would you answer?
Now using Trivialis handle.What I'm saying is that the question does not work if there's no heaven in the scenario it's positing. Moving that to affirmative and without the abuse of double negatives (For hilarious fun, mind you), that'd be "The question works if there's a heaven in the scenario it's positing"
"My life is my own" | If you want to contact me privately, please ask first on the forum.But there is. That's why it's hypothetical - it's independent of whether you actually agree with that or not.
Now using Trivialis handle."It doesn't, really. You can easily answer a question about what you'd do in an scenario you find unlikely or even an scenario that you find to be impossible. For example: "What would you do if you could fly?" "
Then, as I've said, you don't have reason to post here.
"But there is a heaven in the hypothetical situation."
edited 13th Apr '12 1:39:47 PM by abstractematics
Now using Trivialis handle.That's senseless. Just because you don't believe in heaven, it doesn't mean you can't answer a question about what'd you do if you knew for a fact that it existed. It's not unfeasible to predict your own behaviour in certain scenarios, after all, you've observed yourself for years, no?
"My life is my own" | If you want to contact me privately, please ask first on the forum.It doesn't work if there's no heaven in the scenario that it's positing. I don't understand what is difficult to understand about this...?
If you're answering an hypothetical question about "What you'd do if you knew that heaven existed?" then you can't simply cop out and say that heaven doesn't exist in this scenario because (you believe) it doesn't exist in real life.
"My life is my own" | If you want to contact me privately, please ask first on the forum.See, that's what I find contradictory.
"If there is a heaven, would you?" That means the scenario does assume there is a heaven.
And yet you're asking "What if there is no heaven in that scenario?" But in this scenario there is.
Now using Trivialis handle.You two, stop. . . Doing the thing you're doing.
Juan is saying the scenario assumes that there is a heaven, so, in answering the question, people should go with that assumption.
You're saying the same goddamn thing.
Kay?
Mura: -flips the bird to veterinary science with one hand and Euclidean geometry with the other-I'm not asking if there is or there isn't a heaven in the scenario. I'm saying that there is a heaven involved in this scenario and acting as if there isn't (IE: Those posts early on that were along the lines of "lol heaven") simply is contradictory to the core idea of the question.
^butbutbut logic and stuff. besides, it's more interesting than another hour of "God doesn't exist, so no i wouldn't change :)"
edited 13th Apr '12 1:55:51 PM by juancarlos
"My life is my own" | If you want to contact me privately, please ask first on the forum.So you are saying the same thing, as ![]()
pointed out. I don't see why it wouldn't work, then.
Well, of all the things this thread could've devolved into, I'll take semantic discussion over religious shit-flinging.
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But the scenario presented does assume that heaven is presented as an option. If you don't consider that scenario, then you're not following the topic.
edited 12th Apr '12 5:40:15 PM by abstractematics
Now using Trivialis handle.