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washington213 Since: Jan, 2013
#1: Apr 7th 2012 at 11:11:56 PM

Oh, all this horse shit about how I'm supposed to be legitimately interested in the company, and be after more than just their fucking money. It's a minimum wage job, anybody not in management doesn't care if your company or you sinks or swims. Anybody who says differently is a fucking liar. But that's all it is. Lies on top of more lies on top of more lies. Oh hey, I'll call you in a couple days. Why not hey, we have no intention of hiring you? It's more honest. But honesty is rude.

Oh, and apparently I'm supposed to be grateful even if I don't get a job. Why? For her time? She just wasted a bunch of mine by not giving me a job, fuck her.

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#2: Apr 7th 2012 at 11:16:29 PM

So I guess a job interview went badly?

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#3: Apr 7th 2012 at 11:23:28 PM

As someone who has never had a single successful job interview for whatever reason, I say to you calm down.

And they don't want someone honest, they want someone who will just shut up and do their work.

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#4: Apr 7th 2012 at 11:23:50 PM

Well, it's not necessarily your interviewer's fault you didn't get the job.

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#5: Apr 7th 2012 at 11:25:31 PM

You're polite because you might get the job later.

There's never really a reason NOT to be polite.

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#6: Apr 7th 2012 at 11:28:17 PM

You know, I could go on about this, but scrubs has done this argument better than I ever could do it.

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#8: Apr 8th 2012 at 2:44:38 AM

Put yourself in the employer's shoes. You get two people who performed the same in the interview. One says they care about the company, one says they don't. Who would you hire?

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#9: Apr 8th 2012 at 6:57:56 AM

Well, it's not necessarily your interviewer's fault you didn't get the Job

... Maybe she was racist?

Seriously wash, people don't just don't like it when you don't bother to pretent to give a shit, even if it isn't really a needed for the job it refects badly on how you feel for the company and her for working there.

People like to like to feel good about themselves and where they work, it's a rather shallow need I know but it's da truth.

edited 8th Apr '12 6:59:02 AM by joeyjojo

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#10: Apr 8th 2012 at 7:20:46 AM

[up][up] Oh, that's easy: You hire the one who knows how to make cynical cost-benefit calculations and has little integrity.

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washington213 Since: Jan, 2013
#11: Apr 8th 2012 at 8:15:34 AM

Seriously wash, people don't just don't like it when you don't bother to pretent to give a shit, even if it isn't really a needed for the job it refects badly on how you feel for the company and her for working there.

That's the thing; I didn't go in with an apathetic attitude. I kissed her ass and even complimented those stupid extra deal thingies I'm supposed to promote.

The only thing I could imagine that was the reason I didn't get called back yesterday was I asked for how many hours I could expect to work when we were discussing availibility. But that's because I got fucked over at my fast food job which, in addition to shit hours, keeps letting me go home because of slow business. I figured because we were talking availibility it might be appropriate.

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#12: Apr 8th 2012 at 10:07:42 AM

Personally, I go into interviews with the idea that this is just another person, they eat, breathe, shit and piss just like I do and they're just as nervous about being there as I am.

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0dd1 Just awesome like that from Nowhere Land Since: Sep, 2009
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#13: Apr 8th 2012 at 10:32:18 AM

[up][up]The trick is, you need to lie about your availability, say you can work anytime, and then be honest after you get the job.

edited 8th Apr '12 10:32:36 AM by 0dd1

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#14: Apr 8th 2012 at 10:46:46 AM

Be careful there. You don't want them to put you on night shift if you can't work then and have to go 'Oh, I can't work those hours.' It makes you look flaky.

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washington213 Since: Jan, 2013
#15: Apr 8th 2012 at 11:11:26 AM

[up][up]Except, that's more or less exactly what I did, except the lying part as I actually am availible almost all the time. The only times I made myself unavailible were for church and school, and we both acknowledged that this essentially meant open availibility since school is about to be over very soon and being a theater, I would almost certainly work night shift which means going to church in the morning won't interfere with coming to work.

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#16: Apr 8th 2012 at 11:18:28 AM

I work as a produce clerk at a grocery store. I care about my job, because it would be pretty awesome to get a raise or promotion later.

Also, if you can't even to pretend to care about their business during the interview, they'll probably assume you won't give a fraction of a fuck about not being rude to customers, making sure stuff gets done on time, or helping your other co-workers out when they need it.

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#17: Apr 8th 2012 at 11:53:44 AM

I hate answering the "Why do you want this job" question too, because as much as I wish I could say "I need a job and it appears you were hiring" I know that's not what the answer they want is, and sadly when getting a job you just have to do what they want. If honesty was the key to getting a job, or you were allowed to be as honest as you wanted on the job, there wouild probably be a lot more fighting between workers and customers, thus another lawsuit.

I try not to lie in interviews though, but I'll have to admit I totally made up some "scenarios" I had to make in my Target interview, which is actually the job I have currently.

edited 8th Apr '12 11:54:54 AM by GigglesMcYummy

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#18: Apr 8th 2012 at 12:08:12 PM

Would "I would like experience in the work force" be a viable answer to the why do you want this job question?

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0dd1 Just awesome like that from Nowhere Land Since: Sep, 2009
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#19: Apr 8th 2012 at 12:26:24 PM

How about, "Well, I really like this place a lot and feel that it would be a wonderful place for me to gain some working experience, since it seems like it would be a great atmosphere to work in."

Anyway, my bigger issue with applying for jobs is that everyone wants people with experience. So, I always feel like asking the question that's so prevalent that it's become a cliche: How do I get experience if nobody wants to hire me?

edited 8th Apr '12 1:36:43 PM by 0dd1

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#20: Apr 8th 2012 at 1:46:34 PM

That is an issue, yes. But, you can try staffing agencies; there are places that actually want people without experience so they can train them their way. If you could go to one of those, get a temp job and put that on your resume, you stand a better chance. But for my part, I'm freelance, so I'm a little off to the side as far as jobs go:P

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#21: Apr 8th 2012 at 1:49:05 PM

The relevant question here: how old are you? Depending on your age and all, they might be more lenient about a lack of experience. And for professional references, you can use teachers or guidance counselors if you're still in school. Just let them know/clear it with them first.

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0dd1 Just awesome like that from Nowhere Land Since: Sep, 2009
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#22: Apr 8th 2012 at 1:51:56 PM

I'm 19 1/2, so I don't really have much of an excuse for a lack of experience aside from never having a successful job interview.

I should look up local temp agencies.

(On a side note, maybe we should repurpose this into an all-purpose jobs and employment thread.)

edited 8th Apr '12 1:53:28 PM by 0dd1

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GigglesMcYummy wobbledewopple wob woppl from Ohio Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
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#23: Apr 8th 2012 at 1:57:26 PM

As long as you have reliable transportation, I'd reccomend a temping agency too. Some of my friends have worked for one in our town and the pay was pretty good compared to minimum wage fast food/retail jobs. They also seemed pretty lenient, since I knew a guy who went through four different jobs with them, including getting one after angrily quitting and throwing pudding on the walls.

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#24: Apr 8th 2012 at 1:58:54 PM

"after angrily quitting and throwing pudding on the walls." That must be the most hilariously angry way to quit a job ever.

And I have a car, so transportation's no issue.

edited 8th Apr '12 1:59:17 PM by 0dd1

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#25: Apr 8th 2012 at 2:03:26 PM

Yeah, it was pretty funny. Especially since the reason he was that mad was because his supervisor yelled at him for cussing, when the chick he was arguing with was apparently saying "fuck" every other word. Irritating, yes, throwing things mad? Well, maybe not for me because it takes a lot to get me "throwing things mad" and usually my mom is the only one who can achieve getting me on that level.

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