Discussion of religion in the context of LGBTQ+ rights is only allowed in this thread.
Discussion of religion in any other context is off topic in all of the "LGBTQ+ rights..." threads.
Attempting to bait others into bringing up religion is also not allowed.
Edited by Mrph1 on Dec 1st 2023 at 6:52:14 PM
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How many, all or just some?
M84.
Edited by Medinoc on Jul 22nd 2020 at 12:14:51 PM
"And as long as a sack of shit is not a good thing to be, chivalry will never die."
The tweet says the vote was 58-53 in favor of termination.
Edited by ciyinwanderer on Jul 22nd 2020 at 6:30:42 AM
“Once you’ve been to Cambodia, you’ll never stop wanting to beat Henry Kissinger to death with your bare hands." ~Anthony Bourdain
I think, even if LGBTQ is not mentioned in their religion, when religious figures (like priests) propagate prejudice for manipulating beleivers.
The Master Of Fright & A Demon Of Light
A nice butterfly
Can't say I agree with that assertion, and I am a self described Apatheist.
It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
Bit of a question here about LGBT rights and Islam: What is the attitude of conservative-ish Islam (not hardcore/fundamentalist) regarding transgender individuals? I know that in Iran they exist only on sufferance.
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I mean you probably have to specify from which Region.
Conservative Muslims in, say, Turkey will probably give a different answer than one from Germany.
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You're definitely going to get different answers from different people. In general, conservative Islam believes it is a sin to present as anything besides what you were assigned at birth. It's the application that differs. Most variations of conservative Islam (and Islam in general) are against forcing their beliefs on non-Muslims — you're unlikely to see groups of conservative Muslims in Western countries campaigning to make gender reassignment illegal. Policing behaviour within their own communities, however, is much more common. For this reason, it is quite common to see trans Muslims ostracized from conservative Muslim communities
(It goes without saying that many more liberal strains of the religion are fully supportive of trans people.)
There is no war in Ba Sing Se.
He's very charitable and Christian towards the Convention. I'd rather see them kicked firmly in the ass.
Given how heavily patriarchal their leadership is I'd rather aim for a slightly more ventral part of their anatomy.
A nice butterfly
I mean.
Was the opposite expected, even from Francis?
It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
A procrastination in of itself
Yeah, if anything the characterisation of them as the same as non-marital heterosexual relationships (or marital relationships between previously divorced people or where the couple do not want children) might well be a step forward.
The statement does actually seem to leave some wriggle room. As it says
Which seems to leave no comment on if a same-sex-marrige that involved no sexual activity could be blessed.
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Yeah, "the Pope says something Catholic" probably wouldn't have attracted as many eyeballs. The only flak it's gotten is from people who don't hold to Catholic doctrine in the FIRST place on the one hand, and from a few wingnut fringe Catholics who don't consider the Pope's language disobliging enough to gay people on the other.
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If the Pope said something not Catholic, what would Scotsmen say to rhetorically point out a question asked was an obvious "yes"?
It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
No True Scotsman could let that stop him.
Foreign Troper
Okay. Congrats I guess?
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AP News: Evangelical Lutheran church installs 1st transgender bishop
The Rev. Megan Rohrer will lead one of the church’s 65 synods, overseeing nearly 200 congregations in Northern California and northern Nevada.
Rohrer became one of seven LGBTQ pastors accepted by the progressive Evangelical Lutheran church in 2010 after it allowed ordination of pastors in same-sex relationships. Rohrer is married and has two children.
The church is one of the largest Christian denominations in the United States with about 3.3 million members.
Currently, there's a proposed anti-LGBTQ+ bill in the West African country of Ghana that's been heavily pushed by a cooperation between the members of President Nana Akufo-Addo's parliament and clergy. Known as the "Proper Sexual Rights and Ghanaian Family Values Bill 2021", the bill aims to "impose prison sentences for being LGBTQI, for advocating for gay rights, as well as for providing health services and support for LGBTQI people." As expanded upon by the Washington Post:
Religious institutions have been the biggest opinion leaders and sponsors of homophobic discourse in the public sphere. In the past decade, the Christian Council of Ghana has spearheaded campaigns to set the agenda on sexualities in Ghana. The Ghana Christian Council and the Office of the National Chief Imam have repeatedly expressed open support for the criminalization of LGBTQI people. Groups such as the National Coalition for Proper Human Sexual Rights and Family Values, which is supported by white-supremacist and American Christian-right groups such as the World Congress of Families, piggyback off existing patriarchal values to promote anti-gay rhetoric. It is therefore unsurprising that this is the group after which today’s anti-LGBTQI bill is named.
That religion occupies an integral part of everyday life in Ghana makes these pronouncements by religious institutions alarming and emboldens homophobes to attack LGBTQI people.
Politicians have learned that anti-LGBTQI messages can tap into popular currents. In 2012, Ghana’s then-president, John Atta Mills, used his position not only to promote homophobia but to openly support religious institutions and organizations in their efforts to dehumanize LGBTQI Ghanaians. He took this stance following his return from the African Union Assembly of Heads of State and Government meeting in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia, where then-U.N. Secretary General Ban Ki-moon condemned the widespread discrimination against gay, bisexual and trans people in many African countries.
Slate: Pope Francis calls for the worldwide decriminalization of homosexuality. He says that "okay, homosexuality is a sin, but it's not a crime, and by the way, being homosexual is absolutely a human condition."
Some of the reactions are pointing out that he said "being gay is a sin" as opposed to "homosexual acts are a sin," though I personally don't think he meant to backstep there given his previous statements. He's trying to tell his bishops to cut the shit, and he's pushing as far as he can without actually trying to rewrite what is or isn't a sin (actually saying "homosexual acts are not sinful" on his own would be an exceptionally bold move on his part).
Bold, but some might say necessary. It would also be the right thing to do.
This has probably been answered already but why are some sects of Christianity against trans? Is it because they think humans are playing God or something?
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A sad, yet entirely predictable response.
Disgusted, but not surprised