Discussion of religion in the context of LGBTQ+ rights is only allowed in this thread.
Discussion of religion in any other context is off topic in all of the "LGBTQ+ rights..." threads.
Attempting to bait others into bringing up religion is also not allowed.
Edited by Mrph1 on Dec 1st 2023 at 6:52:14 PM
@ Polar, Starship: I know you two don't get along, but I ask that you not make any personal attacks at each other. Please keep things on the arguments and not on the people making them. I know you're both frustrated, but comments like "Just ignore so and so s/he's 'insert insult here'" are not appropriate for this forum. I don't want to have to start handing out thumps and time outs.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. DickI'm sorry to say this and this is no insult to hypothetical child's intelligence but a lot of us have personal experience with something like that. Maybe you do as well. A child and sometimes teenagers even don't think that way. At least a lot of us think they won't see the difference even if you try to teach them.
I have no clue as to your parenting, maybe you would be better at teaching the child the difference between such a thing. When I was a kid I sometimes made the unfortunate leap from "this is a bad thing I shouldn't do it" to "The person doing it is bad".
@Card - As did I. But....I can see where it all began; now. Not then.
I remember during a Church service when I was a boy, I was impatient because the Giants were playing the Jets, a rare occurrence, and I wanted to see it. We had a guest pastor and his sermons ran particularly long. I was getting impatient, cause I was going to miss the game.
The Pastor neared what I thought was the end of the sermon, but then turned around and started down another part of the lesson. I groaned out loud; loud enough for the people sitting next to us to hear it.
I got beat senseless that day. But that wasn't the bad part; I'd gotten beat before so at that point, the pain was whatever. It's what was said after. The long and short of it was that I was possessed by the devil and that football was the particular idol I was worshiping. I remember my mother actually cried and said she couldn't understand why God gave her such an awful son.
So....at least in my case, it wasn't a matter of misunderstanding my parents statements, it was a matter of their statements were fucked up. I think a common issue across all families is that we assume because we know our own motives, because we know our own intent, others can read the same. Even on these threads, people think because they know what they mean, everyone else does.
The Bible is so clear that you MUST watch what you say. We are not telepaths. If you say to your child "You're wrong." and fail to say "So's everyone else including me. God loves you the same. As do I," then yes, of course your child won't know that.
They will.
It was an honorWow...I didn't know. I'm very sorry that happened to you. Even if I don't agree with your methods I can be certain you'd be a better parent than that. Do you know any parents who forbid homosexuality and are good about it? I assume your at an age where you know a few parents, (I'm not).
Does your church except gay people Ship?
I don't. But then my knowledge of gays and their parents is limited to begin with.
I rotate between four churches and none of them have any policy on anyone's orientation. One explicitly states on their website that they accept gays.
It was an honorHave you ever thought of asking the priest at the church that accepts gays if he thinks homosexual acts are a sin? Maybe having a spiritual advisor talk to you might work better than us since a number of us aren't Christian.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. DickWho cares. After all, sexual repression and conflicted sexuality never hurt anyone-
"No pregnant women...should walk in my funeral or ever visit my grave. No woman should ask forgiveness of me. Those who will wash my body should wear gloves so that they do not touch my genitals." - Mohammed Atta, 9/11 hijacker.
Oh wait...
edited 23rd Feb '13 10:52:26 AM by Achaemenid
Schild und Schwert der ParteiI have an example/argument with the whole conversion therapy, but as I have to leave the house now, I will type it up later.
That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - SilaswSo, you're going to make your child watch all his or her other siblings have relationships, while they sit lonely and wait longing for a time out from under your thumb?
THAT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT'LL COME BACK TO BITE YOU AT ALL.
I thought he was joking about the celibacy thing. Sounds like kind of a Stepford Smiler.
OK, so here goes. I'm basing at least part of my thinking on watching a couple of those lovely one-minute-physics style videos; specifically one on how watching pornography will adjust your brain chemistry and neuroplasty.*
So, let's take Bob. Bob has a really strong foot fetish, Not That There's Anything Wrong with That. Bob decides, on his own, to try and find a psychiatrist who can help him 'convert' his mind to a more mainstream sexuality; not because there's something wrong with his attraction, but between a lack of partners sharing the same interest and well-meaning but clueless friends/relatives, Bob has decided he doesn't want to deal with the hassles involved of being of a minority sexuality. (edit) The psychiatrist then helps Bob work through thought exercises and mental conditioning so that his sexuality isn't tied up in his partner's feet, no matter how delectable they might be.
If I'm understanding him correctly, the above paragraph is Maxima's argument in favor of conversion therapy. Now there's a big difference in being homosexual and having a foot fetish, not least of which is that the Holy Bible doesn't condemn people who want to get foot-jobs*.
Now, as far as I know, situations like the above already happen, but I have no idea how successful they are nor how often it harms the people seeking it.
edited 23rd Feb '13 3:59:22 PM by BlueNinja0
That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - SilaswDoes anyone know of any groups that provide this "therapy" for reasons other than "it's wrong"?
I have some weird fetishes, some I'm embarrassed to bring up in the Nunnery. But I don't know if I'd go as far as to get rid of them so I wouldn't feel weird. I especially wouldn't do it just to get laid.
edited 23rd Feb '13 4:11:46 PM by Morgikit

Christianity. A truly horrific fate. Make sure your child has it better than you. >:P