Discussion of religion in the context of LGBTQ+ rights is only allowed in this thread.
Discussion of religion in any other context is off topic in all of the "LGBTQ+ rights..." threads.
Attempting to bait others into bringing up religion is also not allowed.
Edited by Mrph1 on Dec 1st 2023 at 6:52:14 PM
Wildcard, it means a lot you think I am. Personally, I think I leave a lot to be desired.
But to you and Lascoden I ask, how do I know?? How do I know who'll be hurt by my lie? To what degree?
And what if I tell a lie to get an outcome I believe was right, but then.....I realize I was wrong?
I've ALREADY hurt people because the rhetoric was more important than the truth. I didn't have to bother looking at the facts because so and so said it, and that's good enough. I can't go back and undo that. No matter what, those deeds are on my head.
I can't let it happen again. Your gay rights are great and all, but my conscience comes first.
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That you mistake me responding to you for me being bothered by yours or anyone else's retorts is amusing.
edited 18th Jan '13 11:04:04 AM by TheStarshipMaxima
It was an honorSo in other words, you're telling us lying in order to get gay rights is wrong, because... something bad could happen somehow?
People have been hurt by the truth before as well. What if we think telling the truth is right, but it's actually wrong? So yes, it can go both ways.
edited 18th Jan '13 11:34:17 AM by kay4today
I wish people would stop turning this into an either/or situation where if LGBTs aren't made to suffer, then religious people will be persecuted instead. I don't want that to happen. I'm not a villain. I'd be fine with a world where fundies could spout their bullshit and LGBTs could ignore them and live as equals with heterosexuals and cisgender people. But that can't happen as long as there are laws and amendments treating us as second class citizens, which the fundies are supporting.
edited 18th Jan '13 11:17:41 AM by Morgikit
I'm assuming that they would have children, so...
I vowed, and so did you: Beyond this wall- we would make it through.My point stands. I'll fight to see LGTB Qs treated the same as anybody else. Not more. Not less. I won't resort to misrepresentation and/or lying to do it. Especially since we denounce "the other side" for doing it.
Yes. Basically.
edited 18th Jan '13 11:57:51 AM by TheStarshipMaxima
It was an honor@Starship: I'm glad your willing to question. Even after everything I have said defending lies, tricks, and suspending the rules to help a group of people I consider the oppressed I'm glad people are willing to question despite what others people might think of them. If one didn't question then their is a real danger of rhetoric overriding all people with different views. Everyone must remain vigilant even if a lie goes through so nobody is oppressed by it.
I'm defending this, hell perhaps even advocating it but I can see why some people see no other options. It's been over 50 years since the civil rights movement and still some places in America are segregated, it has been decades since the Gay Pride Movement started and they can't get married yet and kids are thrown out of their homes for being gay by their parents. If the truth does not work you can't give up but powerful people, people who control the law will fight you. If you have to lie to get the powerful ones taken down and get paid attention too than it is a better option than giving up because some won't listen to truth.
Relevant
. An amusing spoof advertisement by the Coalition 4 Equal Marriage in the UK.
Wow. My wife really didn't appreciate me trying to watch that while she was watching a Danny Glover movie.
Your opinion, nothing more.
So, who is that supposed to screw over? Because baseless fears with no argumentation are nothing to worry about.
Another problem is this: How do we know that our rights keep getting denied won't turn out worse? So yes, it goes both ways.
Wrong. I would be on his side, obviously, since no one should get discriminated against.
edited 18th Jan '13 3:07:50 PM by kay4today
edited 18th Jan '13 3:11:04 PM by Lascoden
boopWhat the hell......? Blue Ninja, did you just back me up?
Runtime error! DLL
Scan appropriate response - "No way!", "You lie!", "What on Earth do you mean?"
Response select: "Well....just cause I'm an AI built by the FRC, that means I'm more entitled to religious freedom.
Your thoughts on the idea that the more you do something the more it becomes your true nature?
edited 18th Jan '13 3:26:37 PM by TheStarshipMaxima
It was an honorFascinating. Links?
As long as you don't have some shitty State Farm insurance.
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I was searching for it; I can't find the actual article I read but it was based on this TED talk
I think.
edited 18th Jan '13 4:03:45 PM by BlueNinja0
That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - SilaswProviding real insurance so you don't have to rely on State Farm. That's All State's stand. Are you in good hands?
It runs counter to every thing I thought we were all in this for.
It was an honor

@Starship: I know and you are a good Christian for it. Your a good person who is stating what is in this board an unpopular opinion. I don't agree with it. I think kay is right that it wouldn't hurt anyone. Nobody is trying to say stop having that opinion there saying your wrong.
edited 18th Jan '13 10:58:51 AM by Wildcard