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lu127 Paper Master from 異界 Since: Sep, 2011 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#501: Apr 7th 2012 at 2:03:03 AM

Didn't we move anything remotely questionable to the Fetish Fuel Wiki last time?

"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - Fighteer
Hydronix I'm an Irene! from TV Tropes Since: Apr, 2010
I'm an Irene!
#502: Apr 7th 2012 at 2:04:36 AM

No, just the Fetishes pages themselves.

Or any similar gushing pages.

Pages that were questionable were not hit at all.

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Artemis92 Cogito Gratia Cogitan from contemplation Since: Dec, 2009
Cogito Gratia Cogitan
#503: Apr 7th 2012 at 2:14:01 AM

If... If sixty to seventy percent of the forums have a good chance at utterly disappearing in the next week or so, shouldn't some kind of warning be up?

Ponders too much; thinks too little. Currently goes by Knowlessman.
Hydronix I'm an Irene! from TV Tropes Since: Apr, 2010
I'm an Irene!
#504: Apr 7th 2012 at 2:21:42 AM

Only thing we have a good chance of disappearing is really the Avatars.

Forums would go well after that.

It's actually not a very good chance of happening. It's not a wanted solution, to note.

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KylerThatch literary masochist Since: Jan, 2001
literary masochist
#505: Apr 7th 2012 at 2:48:10 AM

It's not like the forums will be immediately cut as soon as word comes back and it turns out they're stopping the ads for good (probably). Better not to cause a stir until there's actually something to worry about. In other words, let's not get ahead of ourselves.

This "faculty lot" you speak of sounds like a place of great power...
robster2001 Very Occasional Editor from Richmond, VA Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Very Occasional Editor
#506: Apr 7th 2012 at 5:02:28 AM

At some point soon — I suspect very soon — a calm, rational discussion needs to take place as to what TV Tropes is going to be going forward.

The major issue here is that the site has grown exponentially with no real planning for what TV Tropes is, and what content fits.

I've said a couple of times that content needs to fit "the mission of the wiki" — but let's face it, you could ask 10 random tropers and get 14 opinions as to what that mission is.

This probably isn't the thread to have that discussion. I don't think that doing so under the gun of another Google dispute is good, either. And, of course, Fast Eddie and Janitor have veto rights over the whole discussion.

But a discussion that leads to a decision as to what's desired here long-term will help. It would certainly give ammunition to deal with both the Wikipedia-style "we have to include EVERYTHING" users and the Puritanical "oh, my God, BODY PARTS" users... and would be extremely helpful in the face of future Google challenges. You know they'll happen, as the self-appointed Internet censors will continue to make them.

That discussion would also, I think, entail confirming and cleaning up the contents of the Administrivia section — and, frankly, a decision that other user-generated sites have had to face, which is "how young is too young"?

Once things settle down, let's consider coming back to this...

I am not a mod, and I don't play one on TV.
HersheleOstropoler You gotta get yourself some marble columns from BK.NY.US Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Less than three
You gotta get yourself some marble columns
#507: Apr 7th 2012 at 6:00:44 AM

I don't think we need to postulate any grand conspiracy by Google, it's more likely that they shoot first, ask questions later. To show people who make complaints that they're taking it seriously, and avoid potential legal liability, most likely.

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Nohbody "In distress", my ass. from Somewhere in Dixie Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
"In distress", my ass.
#508: Apr 7th 2012 at 6:22:22 AM

Conspiracy, no. Over-zealous (and under-intelligent tongue ) automated scripts that handle a vast majority of complaints so they don't have to pay for as many actual people, however...

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Sixthhokage1 Since: Feb, 2013
MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#510: Apr 7th 2012 at 7:05:10 AM

Just an honest question to Eddie (and Janitor, if he can communicate it to her on our behalf)... What chances does this site have to get something like this to support its finances?

edited 7th Apr '12 7:05:18 AM by MarqFJA

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
JapaneseTeeth Existence Weighed Against Nonbeing from Meinong's jungle Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
Existence Weighed Against Nonbeing
#511: Apr 7th 2012 at 7:17:27 AM

[up]I'm pretty sure it's been said before at some point that we're done donation drives before and it just didn't bring in enough money.

Also, I'm assuming that if we do ever have to kill the forums, we wouldn't kill all of them. Stuff like Yack Fest, Forum Games, and OTC would probably go first because they aren't really related to the purpose of the wiki. The media forums would probably last a bit longer, but still might get cut if push comes to shove. The workshops are an important part of wiki function, so I think they're okay.

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MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#512: Apr 7th 2012 at 7:19:41 AM

"Donation drives" are only a small part of what's described there. It's a whole foundation, not just a simple donation service, for one.

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
Psyga315 Since: Jan, 2001
#513: Apr 7th 2012 at 7:21:40 AM

We probably shouldn't cut RPGs since some of the works pages comes from those RPGs.

edited 7th Apr '12 7:21:51 AM by Psyga315

JapaneseTeeth Existence Weighed Against Nonbeing from Meinong's jungle Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
Existence Weighed Against Nonbeing
#514: Apr 7th 2012 at 7:26:30 AM

[up][up]Even so, it takes a fair bit of capital and work to get such a foundation started, and I doubt we have the resources to put something like that together.

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Pyrite Until further notice from Right. Beneath. You. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Hiding
Until further notice
#515: Apr 7th 2012 at 8:12:26 AM

[up]Also, even if I have no idea what Fast Eddie looks like, if we end up seeing his face on a banner as often as that of Jimmy Wales... evil grin (P.S. No offence intended.)

edited 7th Apr '12 8:27:46 AM by Pyrite

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Catbert Since: Jan, 2012
#516: Apr 7th 2012 at 8:38:38 AM

Does the financial and server support for the "Fetish Fuel" and "Troper Tales" spin offs of TV Tropes come from the same place as the main site? Because if they are a drain on our resources, I'd rather see them go then a lot of things of the main site.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#517: Apr 7th 2012 at 8:41:00 AM

[up]They are independent from TV Tropes, I heard. That includes the paychecks.

edited 7th Apr '12 8:41:16 AM by SeptimusHeap

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Sixthhokage1 Since: Feb, 2013
#518: Apr 7th 2012 at 8:41:21 AM

Fetish Fuel and Troper Tales are on free hosts (Wikia and Wikkii respectively)

edited 7th Apr '12 8:42:01 AM by Sixthhokage1

Catbert Since: Jan, 2012
#519: Apr 7th 2012 at 8:47:30 AM

Are there free forum hosts we could move the non-workshop forums to if need be?

Sixthhokage1 Since: Feb, 2013
#520: Apr 7th 2012 at 8:52:05 AM

There are, but the formatting would be quite different due to these fora being custom made for the site and using wiki syntax. All the free hosts would use BB Code for formatting/markup.

KylerThatch literary masochist Since: Jan, 2001
literary masochist
#521: Apr 7th 2012 at 8:52:25 AM

^^ That's an interesting idea. I wouldn't mind migrating to a different forum system, if need be.

^ Damn You, Muscle Memory! would be fully in effect for a while, but I don't see that being a big problem in the long run. The important part is that the community can still have its watering hole. Right?

edited 7th Apr '12 8:53:50 AM by KylerThatch

This "faculty lot" you speak of sounds like a place of great power...
FastEddie Since: Apr, 2004
#522: Apr 7th 2012 at 8:52:47 AM

The wikipedia model requires a fundraising staff to pursue grants from other foundations and other sources of charity funding. The banner donation drives there raise incidental amounts, comparatively. It does give the appearance of being grassroots funded. You have to be structured as a non profit to give the kind of tax breaks that interest charitable foundations.

Goal: Clear, Concise and Witty
Catbert Since: Jan, 2012
#523: Apr 7th 2012 at 8:54:33 AM

To the best of my knowledge, the workshop forums are the only ones where the ability to directly interface with the wiki is really that important.

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#524: Apr 7th 2012 at 9:17:31 AM

[up][up] So that means "very unlikely right now" at best, "no chance at all, unfortunately" at worst?

Well, at least I tried to help...

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
Catbert Since: Jan, 2012
#525: Apr 7th 2012 at 9:18:54 AM

I'm seeing ads when I view this site on Internet Explore. What's the status?


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