Some tropes do well with RL examples.
Especially Historical like you read in a history book (Bling of War for one) News reports, and other things
We could get rid of Real Life altogether and add sections like
and such.
edited 6th Apr '12 2:03:58 PM by Raso
Sparkling and glittering! Jan-Ken-Pon!We're only talking about culling RL examples on Sex, Porn, and Rape Tropes. We are not talking about culling Real Life examples in general. Please stop side tracking things.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. DickI think the deal with stuff like news is that we can trope the news media itself; the article or report or whatever, but not the event that the news is reporting on. Like if a particular news article gets a trope page, all the examples should be about the article, not about the RL event.
Reaction Image RepositoryI believe all the Real Life example sections on the rape tropes have been removed. I cut a few myself but most pages had already had them taken care of.
Thanks for the support of this plan shimaspawn and Septimus Heap.
I still have one question though. How much time do we before the tropes in the Rape Tropes index are culled if they are not fixed? And then how long until the Sex Tropes and Porn Tropes are afflicted?
Always looking for a good MMORPG with a great community...Sllightly offtopic:
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On topic and important:
We'll never be able to condemn these tropes strongly enough for some people (because a large chunk of them don't genuinely care about whatever the trope is, they just want to beat us up, that is all they are in the game for), and if we start putting in a judgement they will hound us no matter what the condemnation is or how strongly it is. It becomes a pawn in their game of getting jollies, or in their agenda. We should have nice neutral, bland, perhaps a little obtuse, name that offers no judgement. The only way to win this is to deprive them of ammunition. That means staying out of the judgement game, because harsh judgement will never be harsh enough.
The Moral Guardian group, and the bash-tvtropes-trolls are currently scenting blood, we play into their hands by over-reacting and over-correcting.
edited 6th Apr '12 2:08:29 PM by CrypticMirror
We're not condemning any works. At all.
That is against the Wiki's goal completely. It ain't happening.
If you don't like it, don't read it. We do not have opinions on the main page no matter what.
edited 6th Apr '12 2:09:10 PM by Hydronix
Quest 64 threadAnd as a philologist, I disagree. I analyze fiction daily, and that does not mean I'm cool with all the rape and the immorality that goes on in ancient works. This wiki is much the same, a documentation of media.
We are not negative when it comes to bashing works. The wiki as a whole has no positive opinion on tropes, and a negative should be made obvious in the controversial ones.
Hell, I'd argue to make this a disclaimer: "The wiki does not endorse the tropes it documents".
"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - Fighteer
That is a good idea, that disclaimer.
In fact, I would propose such a banner for all the "dangerous" topics. This is a trope documented in fiction. This wiki doesn't endorse its usage, nor will its display on the site be tolerated
edited 6th Apr '12 2:10:05 PM by SeptimusHeap
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard FeynmanThat is against the Wiki's goal completely. It ain't happening.
What if the work uses the trope but condemns the act?
So which version of the disclaimer are we using? The one I proposed was This is a trope documented in fiction. This behavior isn't okay by any means. Bolding absolutely necessary.
One Piece blog Beyond the LampshadeNot here though! We need to balance positivity and negativity on this site. I agree that several tropes used in fiction are morally wrong in RL yet, if we take a stand that'll open up another can of worms. The wiki's goal is to neutrally document tropes in fiction, not act as a moral guardian or condemner against things we find repulsive.
Always looking for a good MMORPG with a great community...Neither is what we're doing, Octo.
Our job is to document things, not mudsling at all. Nor is gushing. Our job is to be neutral. We are not recommending a work by having a page on it whatsoever.
I like that, autumncomet.
edited 6th Apr '12 2:12:35 PM by Hydronix
Quest 64 threadI agree with Septimus Heap and Autumncomet.
Having a disclaimer (This behavior isn't endorsed by the wiki on the pages in those three indexes would be a good idea.
@Octo: Let me say it again one more time, our job is to document neutrally not, be Moral Guardians. Have a disclaimer on those "controversial areas", and follow the plan of action
edited 6th Apr '12 2:13:25 PM by Delvarian
Always looking for a good MMORPG with a great community...Yeah, I like the not endorsed by the wiki better. Makes it sound more official.
@NDC: I think it's possible in theory, but it would probably take more work than it's worth, and likely require a credit card or something for age verification.
edited 6th Apr '12 2:13:41 PM by JapaneseTeeth
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x4 We have the NSFG wall already where there is a clickthough to get to certain tropes if you dont have it checked in your profile.
agree.... some of these are legal in some places so lets set ourselves away from that and make it seem more official.
edited 6th Apr '12 2:13:30 PM by Raso
Sparkling and glittering! Jan-Ken-Pon!How about "This is a trope used in fiction. The wiki neither endorses nor approves this behavior."? Sounds a bit more active that way.
edited 6th Apr '12 2:13:58 PM by Autumncomet
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I think Real Life should stay if it's documented in a work of art, literature or media, while pure, exposed RL (not from any work) can be considered for removal.
Now using Trivialis handle.