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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#45651: Feb 24th 2018 at 10:39:00 PM

[up]X5 I think you're giving Hunter X Hunter more credit than it's actually due, but I also don't want to argue about it. Gon's a fine character, and I'll leave it at that.

[up][up]I'd say it's better at using tropes better than subverting them when it comes to MHA.

edited 24th Feb '18 10:42:18 PM by LSBK

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#45652: Feb 24th 2018 at 10:40:38 PM

[up][up][up] I have my own... reservations... about MHA, but what Black Clover does so wrong that MHA is almost always free of is that Black Clover does certain things because they've always been done rather than giving stuff a solid basis for existing in its own world. Essentially, it copies the skin of other stuff without understanding the skeleton.

edited 24th Feb '18 10:41:45 PM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#45653: Feb 24th 2018 at 10:42:34 PM

Funny thing in that Hunter x Hunter is a little old school due to coming out in 1998 which is shown via being a slow-burn but with good pacing.

Black Clover came out in 2015 & its pacing is too fast in the manga & too slow in the anime. And that's ignoring blatantly cribbing on every convention all at once.

Also @X 2 X how was Black Panther?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#45654: Feb 24th 2018 at 10:42:37 PM

What an excellent metaphor.

Do not obey in advance.
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You'll never see it coming...
#45655: Feb 24th 2018 at 10:43:01 PM

@ LSBK & Sigilbreaker: Yeah, I've heard that MHA falls into its own rut at times too. Again, can't pass judgment on it since I've never watched it, but I'm hard pressed to believe it's not better about its use of shonen conventions than Black Clover is. (Which is a bit of a backhanded compliment, considering that just about any half-decently written shonen series could top BC.)

@ slim: Very good. Probably going to be overhyped because of its cultural significance (not that'd I blame anyone for doing so), but for me, it very easily places in the Top 5 of the MCU. The story was poignant, it had a great and well-developed supporting cast, and the movie's villain is definitely one of the better and more compelling ones in the entire franchise.

edited 24th Feb '18 10:47:37 PM by X2X

"Just wants a friend but had to give up his ding dong for it, tragic." - AngelLightStar
Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#45656: Feb 24th 2018 at 10:44:50 PM

[up] Oh MHA is miles better than BC especially in that aspect.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#45657: Feb 24th 2018 at 10:45:34 PM

I mean its not like every series doesn't fall into a rut on occasion.

Nothing's perfect after all, there's always a fumble here & there.

Just look at DBZ.

edited 24th Feb '18 10:45:58 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#45658: Feb 24th 2018 at 10:45:47 PM

I still say people give BC way more shit than it actually deserves, but at the same time mocking it is funny.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#45659: Feb 24th 2018 at 10:47:05 PM

DB falls into ruts really easily though. I've been rereading early stuff and laughing at how for like, four arcs in a row Goku beats his enemies by smashing into them head first at high speed.

edited 24th Feb '18 10:47:54 PM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
Rojixus The Last Nineties Anti-Hero from A Dark and Rainy Cyberpunk City (Living Relic) Relationship Status: Abstaining
The Last Nineties Anti-Hero
#45660: Feb 24th 2018 at 10:47:18 PM

Slim, DBZ is the rut.

[down]Point.

edited 24th Feb '18 10:50:07 PM by Rojixus

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#45661: Feb 24th 2018 at 10:47:53 PM

Yet its high-points are really, really high.

Ya gotta accept the good & the bad.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#45662: Feb 24th 2018 at 10:48:31 PM

Wait, do we mean rut as in low point or rut as in doing the same thing over and over?

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#45663: Feb 24th 2018 at 10:49:43 PM

Well I'm talking about low points.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#45664: Feb 24th 2018 at 10:50:45 PM

If something goes on long enough running into a rut eventually is inevitable, despite what some people might say to the contrary. They come and (hopefully) they go.

edited 24th Feb '18 10:51:37 PM by LSBK

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#45665: Feb 24th 2018 at 10:52:13 PM

[up] The weekly scheduling format is killer on the mangeka after all.

Man is this harsh in hindsight. Neji's fate is sad in the end.

edited 24th Feb '18 10:52:47 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#45666: Feb 24th 2018 at 10:52:19 PM

I wouldn't say they're inevitable, just nearly inevitable.

[up] What's odd is that Neji has a sort of perfectly contained character arc in the first part of Naruto so you could have very well killed him off and had that be that, but if Kishimoto wanted to keep him around then he should have given him something to do.

Actually, one of the already introduced people should have taken Sai's place and had secret orders that conflicted with their friendship with Naruto and Sakura, that would have been much better than introducing that blank slate.

edited 24th Feb '18 10:54:37 PM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
Demetrios Making darkness adorable since 1999 from Des Plaines, Illinois (unfortunately) Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Making darkness adorable since 1999
#45667: Feb 24th 2018 at 10:55:00 PM

I don't like the face Naruto was making at first. x_x XD

Come on! Let's bless them all until we get fershnickered!
X2X You'll never see it coming... from the Darkness Beyond Time Since: Nov, 2009 Relationship Status: Staying up all night to get lucky
You'll never see it coming...
#45668: Feb 24th 2018 at 10:55:33 PM

@ slim: No kidding. I'm already bracing myself for when we get around to that moment in the Fourth Shinobi World War. sad

"Just wants a friend but had to give up his ding dong for it, tragic." - AngelLightStar
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The Last Nineties Anti-Hero
#45669: Feb 24th 2018 at 10:56:15 PM

Naruto was involved in the most important part: CANON.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#45670: Feb 24th 2018 at 10:56:25 PM

[up][up][up][up] This all makes it sad how Demoted to Extra the original Leaf 11 became.

A lot of good characters wasted just so the Uchihaha's could hijack the entire story.

[up][up] In a fucking decade though. Do you know how far off from that we are?

edited 24th Feb '18 10:57:07 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#45671: Feb 24th 2018 at 10:56:40 PM

[up]x3 I mean, that's the least of that arc's problems honestly.

[up] I wouldn't say that. That doesn't really happen till the last arc really. Naruto's main problem is introducing too many new characters instead of developing its core roster, a problem I think... every shonen has? Nearly every shonen, the only one I can think that dodges it is YYH.

edited 24th Feb '18 10:59:03 PM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#45672: Feb 24th 2018 at 11:01:27 PM

OH GOD

IT'S TIME

THE HOT SPRINGS EPISODE

Do not obey in advance.
Demetrios Making darkness adorable since 1999 from Des Plaines, Illinois (unfortunately) Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Making darkness adorable since 1999
#45673: Feb 24th 2018 at 11:01:52 PM

What the? What's with the artwork? It looks like something a five-year-old drew. XD

Come on! Let's bless them all until we get fershnickered!
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#45674: Feb 24th 2018 at 11:02:00 PM

[up][up] Indeed. grin

[up][up][up] True.

Also @X 2 X glad ya liked BP. [tup]

[up] I think that's the point.

edited 24th Feb '18 11:02:19 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
X2X You'll never see it coming... from the Darkness Beyond Time Since: Nov, 2009 Relationship Status: Staying up all night to get lucky
You'll never see it coming...
#45675: Feb 24th 2018 at 11:02:08 PM

Hot Springs Episode, let's go! [lol]

@ slim: I believe we're somewhere in the 6-7 year range at this point. Ergh...

"Just wants a friend but had to give up his ding dong for it, tragic." - AngelLightStar

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