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asiacatdogblue This Won't End Well... from Chicago, IL Since: Feb, 2010
This Won't End Well...
#38651: Jul 8th 2017 at 9:03:46 PM

[up] The original Super Saiyan was obliterated by his own power.

I figured it would take a lot of life and struggling to get to that level.

Goku, Vegeta, & Gohan reached those struggles to get where they were. Then they overcamed it.

Then... it looks like it comes as no struggle at all. It looks cheap.

edited 8th Jul '17 9:06:10 PM by asiacatdogblue

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#38652: Jul 8th 2017 at 9:04:52 PM

[up] And apparently the original Super Saiyan God is a completely separate guy from that.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
X2X You'll never see it coming... from the Darkness Beyond Time Since: Nov, 2009 Relationship Status: Staying up all night to get lucky
You'll never see it coming...
#38653: Jul 8th 2017 at 9:08:55 PM

@ Lennik: I hear you, even though I don't completely mind the extra Super Saiyan transformations. At least, up to a point. The whole "mastery" of the base Super Saiyan form before the Cell Games, for example, had at least some degree of sense to it, as does Gohan's anger/hidden potential allowing him to reach Super Saiyan 2 and Future Trunks learning how to pour more energy into his Super Saiyan 2 form to bring it roughly up to par with Super Saiyan 3.

That said, I think One Piece is one of the few Shonen series to handle this problem well. There, it's not so much that characters (read: Devil Fruit users) go through Shonen Upgrades as they come up with new and intuitive ways of using their powers.

Goku, come on. You know Babidi's magic leveled the playing field.

edited 8th Jul '17 9:09:51 PM by X2X

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Rojixus The Last Nineties Anti-Hero from A Dark and Rainy Cyberpunk City (Living Relic) Relationship Status: Abstaining
The Last Nineties Anti-Hero
#38654: Jul 8th 2017 at 9:10:12 PM

That's one hell of a midlife crisis, Vegeta.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#38655: Jul 8th 2017 at 9:11:59 PM

[up][up]YMMV on how well, One Piece dells with it. And even then, it seems like Oda is going to go with upgrading fruit powers with "awakening" them.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#38656: Jul 8th 2017 at 9:12:02 PM

[up][up][up] He still has 3 though.

Jesus Satan stop lying to these poor dumbass people.

edited 8th Jul '17 9:12:12 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
X2X You'll never see it coming... from the Darkness Beyond Time Since: Nov, 2009 Relationship Status: Staying up all night to get lucky
You'll never see it coming...
#38657: Jul 8th 2017 at 9:12:19 PM

This all could've been avoided if only Bulma forced him to go get his driver's license.

[up][up] Yeah, I know. I'm talking in more of a general sense, especially pre-Time Skip.

edited 8th Jul '17 9:15:12 PM by X2X

"Just wants a friend but had to give up his ding dong for it, tragic." - AngelLightStar
BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#38658: Jul 8th 2017 at 9:13:51 PM

Wow, Rime looks gorgeous.

Do not obey in advance.
Lennik (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#38659: Jul 8th 2017 at 9:16:16 PM

There are so many better ways to have villains challenge the heroes than having to resort to such simplistic methods as giving them higher power levels. Give them new abilities that force the heroes to rely on something more than just raw power. Make the villains smarter. Make the heroes learn new techniques. Anything's better than:

"Ha. I powered up +1."

"Well I powered up +2."

"+3 now. Tremble before me."

edited 8th Jul '17 9:16:29 PM by Lennik

That's right, boys. Mondo cool.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#38660: Jul 8th 2017 at 9:18:53 PM

The irony of that Transformers commercial is that the whole adventures are pretty forgettable.

As well as the fact the new movie fucking bombed.

Seriously everyone, The Last Knight is doing terrible at the box office, both native & foreign such as in China. It is a grand fuck-up & deserves its failing as a disaster.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#38661: Jul 8th 2017 at 9:19:31 PM

It's not like that started with people surpassing Super Saiyan. Dragonball has always been a show where 9 times out of 10, the stronger guy wins, regardless of everything else.

BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#38662: Jul 8th 2017 at 9:19:35 PM

It didn't help that Goten and Trunks can transform with like no effort at an early age.

edited 8th Jul '17 9:20:07 PM by BearyScary

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asiacatdogblue This Won't End Well... from Chicago, IL Since: Feb, 2010
This Won't End Well...
#38663: Jul 8th 2017 at 9:19:59 PM

Someone mention the Cursed Fruits... uh, I mean the Devil Fruits.

What about "Gear Second?"

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Rynnec Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Healthy, deeply-felt respect for this here Shotgun
#38664: Jul 8th 2017 at 9:20:17 PM

@Slimcoder: While I'm happy at that news, is Last Knight any better than the previous movies writing or characterization wise?

mythbuster Since: Jan, 2010
#38665: Jul 8th 2017 at 9:21:37 PM

Uh, Supreme Kai, where exactly were you planning to run to, anyway?

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#38666: Jul 8th 2017 at 9:21:53 PM

[up][up] I haven't seen it myself but from what I heard & read, no its not an improvement on either front at all.

Its actually worse than the last one if you can believe that. All the hype & marketing was a complete Goddamn fucking lie.

Finally Gohan. [tup] [awesome]

edited 8th Jul '17 9:24:25 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
asiacatdogblue This Won't End Well... from Chicago, IL Since: Feb, 2010
This Won't End Well...
#38667: Jul 8th 2017 at 9:25:50 PM

Oh right, guys. what was your first reaction to the reveal?

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BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#38668: Jul 8th 2017 at 9:26:17 PM

Supreme Kai just comes off as so incredibly clueless.

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X2X You'll never see it coming... from the Darkness Beyond Time Since: Nov, 2009 Relationship Status: Staying up all night to get lucky
You'll never see it coming...
#38669: Jul 8th 2017 at 9:26:52 PM

Someone mention the Cursed Fruits... uh, I mean the Devil Fruits.

What about "Gear Second?"

(raises hand)

That would be me.

Personally, while I think it's where OP started to dip into the usual Shonen pratfall of "must gain X points in Str to beat Y character," it's also a clever way of Luffy using his Rubber Man powers. That, and it also falls under Lennik's suggestion of protagonists learning new ways to fight instead of simply getting stronger, facing an even tougher opponent than whoever they just defeated, and doing it all over again.

[up][up] My reaction to Majin Buu, or...?

edited 8th Jul '17 9:27:34 PM by X2X

"Just wants a friend but had to give up his ding dong for it, tragic." - AngelLightStar
Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#38670: Jul 8th 2017 at 9:28:28 PM

I like Luffy's various Gear techniques. They're all interesting and creative uses of his rubber body, and very fun to watch.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#38671: Jul 8th 2017 at 9:30:41 PM

At least it took hundreds of chapters/episodes till Luffy got a new power-up & their usually all distinct from each other.

Also now we can stop giving Gohan grief for standing there in front of the pod. He tried his best in the end but sadly failed. Still he gave it his all & so he deserves a pat on the back.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Rojixus The Last Nineties Anti-Hero from A Dark and Rainy Cyberpunk City (Living Relic) Relationship Status: Abstaining
The Last Nineties Anti-Hero
#38672: Jul 8th 2017 at 9:32:08 PM

Oh right, guys. what was your first reaction to the reveal?

To Majin Buu? I believe my reaction was something to the effect of "FUCKING FINALLY!!" followed by "I waited all this time for that? Dragonball Z probably just jumped the shark."

asiacatdogblue This Won't End Well... from Chicago, IL Since: Feb, 2010
This Won't End Well...
#38673: Jul 8th 2017 at 9:33:53 PM

[up][up][up][up] Reaction to Majin Buu poofing out if his egg.

edited 8th Jul '17 9:36:04 PM by asiacatdogblue

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#38674: Jul 8th 2017 at 9:35:10 PM

Ultimately, Super Saiyan is just another racial trait of theirs. Even without it Goku, Vegeta, and their offspring reached levels of power much higher than any other Saiyan did, and I never see anyone complaining about that.

edited 8th Jul '17 9:35:41 PM by LSBK

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#38675: Jul 8th 2017 at 9:35:18 PM

Its been years so I can't really remember my first reaction to Buu's fight appearance.

Also what is the distinction exactly between a warrior & a soldier?

edited 8th Jul '17 9:35:29 PM by slimcoder

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