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GlennMagusHarvey Since: Jan, 2001
#1: Mar 29th 2012 at 11:56:56 PM

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2012/03/north-carolinians-support-but-dont-understand-marriage-amendment.html

TLDR: There is a proposed North Carolina state constitutional amendment set to hit the ballot in six weeks. The amendment would ban both gay marriage and civil unions. Voters support legal recognition (i.e. marriage or civil unions) of gay couples 51% to 45%, but also support this amendment 58% to 38%.

*facepalm*

And then there's this gold-plated silliness:

7% think that it actually legalizes gay marriage.

what

edited 30th Mar '12 12:01:37 AM by GlennMagusHarvey

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#2: Mar 30th 2012 at 12:06:23 AM

Clearly, whoever is responsible for disseminating information on it did not do a good job.

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#3: Mar 30th 2012 at 12:17:06 AM

Or a good one, depending of his political inclinations.

Nobody reads their laws this days. Also, why is gay marriage such a big issue? If gay people want to marry and be miserable like the rest of us, I think its their problem.

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#4: Mar 30th 2012 at 12:26:05 AM

[up]That reminds me. Got some prayer posters to print up.

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#5: Mar 30th 2012 at 1:29:11 AM

Reminds me of that study where they thought 10% of those polled were Holocaust deniers, until they realized that 10% of those polled didn't understand double negatives.

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#7: Mar 30th 2012 at 4:27:09 AM

[up][up] "We dont like no holocaust denial round this parts feller".

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#8: Mar 30th 2012 at 4:27:23 AM

And then there's the popular petition to end women's suffrage...

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#9: Mar 30th 2012 at 4:38:55 AM

[up] The horrific amounts of background noise make it annoying to watch, but it's an amusing idea. Reminds me of the "dihydrogen monoxide" hoax.

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#11: Mar 30th 2012 at 7:36:14 AM

As someone who lives in NC, I don't why people support this junk.

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#12: Mar 30th 2012 at 7:48:24 AM

BREAKING NEWS! People are stupid!

#13: Mar 30th 2012 at 9:10:18 AM

It's not really quite as shocking as it sounds. The wording "voters support legal recognition 51% to 45%" is a little misleading, as of the 51% who support some recognition half still think marriage should be illegal. For many of these, this bill's prohibition on marriage (which they support) might outweigh the prohibition on civil unions (which they oppose).

The level of ignorance is bad, but it's par for the course in our society on pretty much any issue.

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#15: Mar 30th 2012 at 11:20:10 AM

[up] Welcome to the world!

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#16: Mar 30th 2012 at 3:11:13 PM

This reminds me of when my retired aunt was trying to get a job as a greeter at Walmart, they had weird questions on the questionnaire like "Do you think it isn't right to not steal products from your job". Of course she said yes because stealing is wrong, but she didn't see the not.

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#17: Mar 30th 2012 at 3:27:57 PM

Nobody reads their laws this days. Also, why is gay marriage such a big issue? If gay people want to marry and be miserable like the rest of us, I think its their problem.
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#18: Mar 30th 2012 at 4:09:09 PM

Because some most people never learned to stay out of other people's personal lives.

FTFY.

Obviously a lot of people don't like homosexuals, but the more reasonable arguments in favor of it tend to fall along these lines:

1) Homosexual unions are purely personal, and don't contribute to society in the same way family-forming heterosexual unions do, and therefore they shouldn't be treated the same way legally (aka the tax argument).

2) Homosexual households are harmful for children to grow up in. If homosexuals were allowed to obtain the same legal marriages that others do, they would be able to adopt children the same way other couples do, and therefore they should not be allowed to do so.

3) All of the legal benefits of marriage are already available to homosexuals through contract law. Therefore, allowing homosexual marriages would be merely a token recognition of their legitimacy. This argument then splits into two camps, one saying that the government should not be involved in advocating for certain personal moral issues like this, and the other saying that it should, and that furthermore homosexuality is immoral and should be discouraged not encouraged.

All of these arguments are obviously extremely controversial and debatable, but none of them are inherently self-contradicting or necessarily bigoted.

edited 30th Mar '12 4:09:57 PM by EdwardsGrizzly

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#19: Mar 30th 2012 at 8:17:01 PM

2 is statistically wrong, ergo invalid, and 3 is a separate-but-equal system which is considered unfair.

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#20: Mar 30th 2012 at 8:45:34 PM

>North Carolina and Southern US in general

There's your problem right there.

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#21: Mar 30th 2012 at 8:58:16 PM

2 is statistically wrong, ergo invalid, and 3 is a separate-but-equal system which is considered unfair.
All of my this. #1 is invalid as well, since gay couples can raise families through adoption/surrogate parenthood that are just and functional as any other family. Not all that many families still fit the "1 daddy, 1 mommy, forever" mold anymore (think of divorce, re-marrying and single parenthood), and those kinds of families are legally recognized as legitimate family units.

Not to mention the fact that heterosexual =/= producing children. Should the infertile be banned from marrying as well?

edited 30th Mar '12 8:59:12 PM by Haldo

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GlennMagusHarvey Since: Jan, 2001
#22: Mar 30th 2012 at 10:00:13 PM

Yes, they should, because their sexual activity can only be recreational. And recreational sexual activity is a sin.

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#23: Mar 30th 2012 at 11:13:33 PM

[up] Wasnt the concept of "Fun" in a broader sense "sinful"? If I remember correctly, Granted, most of the time I dont know what I talk about, they didnt really talk about that in catholic school. Damn nuns..

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#24: Mar 31st 2012 at 7:32:01 AM

[up][up]...So, you think the only people who should marry are those who are doing it to produce children?

*shakes your hand for being logically consistent*

Now, I think it's okay if your church wants to follow that, but marriage isn't technically a purely religious institution, and even if it were, what if not all religions believe that recreational sex is a sin? (see: separation of church and state)

edited 31st Mar '12 7:32:42 AM by Haldo

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GlennMagusHarvey Since: Jan, 2001
#25: Mar 31st 2012 at 7:55:59 AM

My last post was sarcasm.

[up] Wasnt the concept of "Fun" in a broader sense "sinful"? If I remember correctly, Granted, most of the time I dont know what I talk about, they didnt really talk about that in catholic school. Damn nuns..

I will quote the wisdom of Garfield author Jim Davis on this issue of fun in general. He was speaking about Puritans, but the broader point still rings true.

[T]heir idea of a good time was to sit around not having one, while making sure no one else was having one either.

edited 31st Mar '12 7:56:50 AM by GlennMagusHarvey


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