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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#24851: Sep 10th 2015 at 2:10:30 AM

Stronger than Goku yes, it's never made clear if he surpassed Gohan with his full power because Gohan didn't fight. We know the level he fought Goku with was inferior to Super Saiyan Gohan though.

I think his full power was stronger, otherwise he had no reason to try and draw out Gohan's hidden power.

Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#24852: Sep 10th 2015 at 2:14:42 AM

Well at least in the anime, Cell only explicitly powers up to full against SSJ 2 Gohan. So is that in the manga?

It means that, up to that point, he was working with... I dunno, some percentage of his maximum. Yet he was still confident it was enough to beat everyone there.

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#24853: Sep 10th 2015 at 2:18:19 AM

Damned Freeza genes.Always making people fight in %.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#24854: Sep 10th 2015 at 2:21:44 AM

Yah, he powers up to his full power to fight SS2 Gohan in the manga as well. But we don't get to see how much stronger he got since he got wrecked.

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#24855: Sep 10th 2015 at 2:53:22 AM

Considering everyone's reactions, it can be assumed that Cell's full power was much higher than what he had shown previously.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#24856: Sep 10th 2015 at 3:17:11 AM

I still think that when Gohan says he's at half power, he means it, he just doesn't know that his half power might still be enough to beat Cell.

And hell, it might not be. I think Super Perfect Cell is a little above Super Saiyan Gohan, but the distraction Vegeta provided was enough to make up for the difference.

If Gohan had been at full strength, the fight would've been incredibly one sided.

Also, Pushover, let's see if you finally understand this:

50% energy is 50% power. At 50% energy, half his ki has been depleted, and you know what makes them stronger, faster and more durable? their ki. At half ki, they're half as strong, half as fast and half as durable.

When the fighting games separate health and ki, they're doing it wrong, because they're one and the same. There's been, IIRC, one fighting game that got it right.

edited 10th Sep '15 3:36:30 AM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#24857: Sep 10th 2015 at 4:31:20 AM

Gohan was at half power... because he was holding back. Goku says this. We see him add more power to the Kamehameha when it overwhelms Cell.

Piccolo also makes it clear that half of Gohan's power does not measure up to Cell at that point.

Then it's extremely likely that full power Cell was stronger than Super Saiyan Gohan, and his zenkai power up should be pretty big. So I don't see him being around Super Saiyan Gohan after that.

I think people are putting way too much stock into a single line which is contradicted immediately after.

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#24858: Sep 10th 2015 at 5:00:07 AM

Clearly Gohan went SSJ 2.5 mid blast. tongue

Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#24859: Sep 10th 2015 at 5:17:29 AM

Also I just noticed Cell has his own trope page. DBZ certainly gets a lot of love on this site.

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#24860: Sep 10th 2015 at 7:24:56 AM

Considering everyone's reactions, it can be assumed that Cell's full power was much higher than what he had shown previously.

"Much higher" is relative, though.

After having his potential unlocked, Krillin's power was much higher than what he arrived on Namek with. It shortened the gap between him and Frieza.

Said gap, however, remained insurmountable. In Dragon Ball, it is entirely possible for a character's power to increase 5, 10, even 100x and still not measure up.

edited 10th Sep '15 7:27:18 AM by TobiasDrake

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#24861: Sep 10th 2015 at 7:30:07 AM

If Cell's full power was still weaker than Super Saiyan 1 Gohan, there'd be no reason for him to draw out the latter's power :V

I know we like to circle jerk power levels a lot in this topic, but at some point common sense has to take over

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#24862: Sep 10th 2015 at 7:31:47 AM

Remember that time Vegeta taunted Frieza into transforming even though his First Form was actually more powerful than Vegeta?

edited 10th Sep '15 7:31:57 AM by TobiasDrake

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#24863: Sep 10th 2015 at 7:33:00 AM

NO, STOP THAT. THEY NEVER FOUGHT >:

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#24864: Sep 10th 2015 at 7:34:29 AM

Egotistical assholes don't always make good choices when they're drunk on their own entitled sense of awesomeness.

edited 10th Sep '15 7:36:33 AM by TobiasDrake

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#24865: Sep 10th 2015 at 8:21:56 AM

So, I have a question that should be completely new. Guru was the Guardian of Namek, right? And as Kami has shown, he should still possess his power even in death. Now, the Guardian's duty is to ferry souls between the planet and the Other World, right? So why didn't Guru do that to Krillin then restore his body?

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#24866: Sep 10th 2015 at 8:23:39 AM

There's also the fact that Gohan just wasn't fighting back very much.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#24867: Sep 10th 2015 at 8:48:34 AM

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Not sure.

Outside of Kami asking permission for Goku to keep his body that one time, is there any proof that Guardians ferry souls to the afterlife?

[up]Yeah. It's entirely possible that SPC putting up such a fight against Gohan was a combination of him genuinely being stronger, Gohan being injured, and Gohan also having lost a lot of confidence in himself when he got his dad killed, even if he was acting like he could still do right.

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#24868: Sep 10th 2015 at 8:51:15 AM

Well, they have to do something, right?

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#24870: Sep 10th 2015 at 8:57:09 AM

Given that they're called guardians of X, my assumption is that they guard X.

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#24871: Sep 10th 2015 at 8:58:50 AM

When has Kami ever guarded Earth?

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Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#24872: Sep 10th 2015 at 9:04:37 AM

How powerful do ya think King Piccolo could have been if he forced Kami to fuse with him?

Would he be as powerful as the Nameless Namekian, stronger or weaker?

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#24873: Sep 10th 2015 at 9:15:38 AM

^^ The only reason he didn't take care of King Piccolo was because he's apparently not supposed to willingly kill himself. Nothing else required his attention that we saw.

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#24874: Sep 10th 2015 at 9:16:50 AM

He would have been weaker due to no Nail and much lower base power but he should have been stronger than Freeza if Guru is right.

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Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#24875: Sep 10th 2015 at 9:18:17 AM

So if such a situation had happened, the story of Dragon Ball would have abruptly ended with a curb-stomp battle, wouldn't have it?


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