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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#24826: Sep 9th 2015 at 5:18:27 PM

For once I agree with Saiga over everyone else.

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BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#24827: Sep 9th 2015 at 5:21:24 PM

Yeah, same here.

I think SPC was probably around 75% of full-power Gohan.

what do you mean I didn't win, I ate more wet t-shirts than anyone else
Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#24828: Sep 9th 2015 at 5:28:42 PM

No, not acronyms. Anything but acronyms!

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That forum post was well-organized.

edited 9th Sep '15 5:29:12 PM by Soble

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#24829: Sep 9th 2015 at 5:29:20 PM

I think it wasn't that much weaker. Maybe 90% of Gohan's power. Gohan was injured down to 80% of his power and his victory happened when he was able to release 100% of it.

It's not that he was at 50% power, it's that he was at 50% energy. He was really tired.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#24830: Sep 9th 2015 at 5:32:03 PM

You really should stop making up arbitrary percentages. Also, I don't think your going to find anyone here who sees a difference between 50% power and 50% energy.

But the general consensus seems to be that SPC while still much weaker than super saiyan 2 Gohan, would have been too much for super saiyan Gohan and been able to put up a decent fight against super saiyan 2 Gohan right?

I'll go with that because it makes things seem less contrived.

edited 9th Sep '15 5:46:32 PM by LSBK

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#24831: Sep 9th 2015 at 5:33:06 PM

I don't think we can say for sure where SPC falls because Gohan needed a distraction to beat him.

BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#24832: Sep 9th 2015 at 5:39:10 PM

[up][up]That sounds about right.

what do you mean I didn't win, I ate more wet t-shirts than anyone else
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#24833: Sep 9th 2015 at 5:48:31 PM

I always liked putting him midway between Super Saiyan 1 and Super Saiyan 2 Gohan, but I can definitely see him being a bit higher as well.

Even if Gohan got in that situation by protecting Vegeta, it's also partly because he underestimated Cell and partly because Cell was powerful enough to do that. So even in a straight fight I feel Gohan could potentially lose if he isn't careful enough and tried to continue toying with Cell. It only takes one blow to shift the advantage to Cell.

BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#24834: Sep 9th 2015 at 6:09:05 PM

Yeah, Cell's blast to kill Vegeta was kind of offhanded. Like, he didn't put any effort into it and it still crippled Gohan. That doesn't mean he's stronger than Gohan necessarily, but he's clearly not less than half as strong as him, either.

what do you mean I didn't win, I ate more wet t-shirts than anyone else
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#24835: Sep 9th 2015 at 6:15:23 PM

When you put it that way, Super Perfect Cell is probably only just below Super Saiyan 2 Gohan then; Gohan was able to beat Cell prior when he was just toying with him, but while Cell may still be weaker after Zenkai, he's strong enough to be a threat and that Gohan would lose if he didn't take him seriously like before.

So basically, Super Perfect Cell is a Wake-Up Call Boss to Gohan's Super Saiyan 2 form. Makes sense.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#24836: Sep 9th 2015 at 7:35:11 PM

I posit that Subpar Perfect Cell is about 80-90% Super Saiyan 2 Gohan's full power. Gohan wasn't using his full power for most of the beam struggle, possibly due to confidence issues, which is why Cell started to overwhelm him.

edited 9th Sep '15 7:38:31 PM by Anomalocaris20

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#24837: Sep 9th 2015 at 7:40:06 PM

I think Gohan wasn't using his full power because his arm was shattered.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#24838: Sep 9th 2015 at 7:45:11 PM

He's firing ki, not punching with his busted hand, to be fair. But yeah, I don't doubt there was a power drop, just not 50%.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#24839: Sep 9th 2015 at 7:46:51 PM

I don't really care. Cell lost. Gohan won.

Lets face it. Dragon Ball fight are usually one character just being far superior and stomping the other dude. All that changes is how long it takes, but one person is usually outmatched completely.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#24840: Sep 9th 2015 at 7:55:51 PM

No. Dragon Ball Z is where most of the battles are one-sided. In Dragon Ball, all the epic final battles were extremely close brawls.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#24841: Sep 9th 2015 at 8:07:44 PM

Piccolo vs. 2nd-form Frieza, Piccolo vs. 17, Goku vs. Perfect Cell, Gohan vs. Subpar Perfect Cell, Goku vs. Majin Vegeta, Gotenks vs. Super Buu, and Goku vs. Kid Buu were all fairly even fights.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#24842: Sep 9th 2015 at 8:09:38 PM

Piccolo vs second form Frieza was only even when Frieza wasn't being serious. The same goes for Goku vs. Cell.

edited 9th Sep '15 8:10:18 PM by LSBK

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#24843: Sep 9th 2015 at 8:10:36 PM

[up][up][up]Not really. Goku outclassed everyone he went up against in Dragon Ball, or was too tough to be beaten normally, so they needed to cheat (Yamcha, Roshi, most of the Red Ribbon army).

Tao pai pai was the first one to flip the script on him, and then Goku trained with Korrin and put things back the way it normally goes.

Then cam Tien, who only won on a technicality (and not for lack of trying mind you as he blew up the ring with a move powered by his own life force and still couldn't legitimately win).

Tambourine only won because Goku was tired, and then King Piccolo avenged him and Drum Cymbal by playing Goku's face like a drum, but then was slowly overpowered by Post Sacred Water Goku until he pulled a sneaky trick.

All the fights were Curb-stomps of varying degrees in one direction or another. It's just a matter of how long it took.

Edit: It was Cymbal that Goku killed before fighting Piccolo. Dammit. That ruins the whole joke.

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edited 9th Sep '15 8:12:56 PM by HandsomeRob

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#24844: Sep 9th 2015 at 8:23:12 PM

Goku vs Roshi and Goku vs Tenshinhan were extremely close battles that Goku lost by an inch (literally, in both cases).

edited 9th Sep '15 8:44:10 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#24845: Sep 9th 2015 at 8:24:39 PM

No, you were right, it was Drum. Yajirobe fought Cymbal.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#24846: Sep 9th 2015 at 8:29:17 PM

Edit: Right. Just ignore what I had here before. I was really confused.

edited 9th Sep '15 8:30:50 PM by HandsomeRob

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Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#24848: Sep 10th 2015 at 1:21:18 AM

Why would Towa power up Demon King Piccolo in that fight? That's the fight he wins with little difficulty.

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#24849: Sep 10th 2015 at 1:24:48 AM

[up] Time Breaking reasons. tongue

DBH God Mission 4 Gameplay Trailer:

Shows off Young Kami (Nameless Namek?) splitting off into his good self and Young King Piccolo (Calling this transformation the "Good/Evil" Split), King Piccolo giving birth to Ma Junior, King Piccolo (Fused w/ Old Kami), King Piccolo/Ma Junior/Lord Slug Great Namek Soumasen, SSJ3 Adult Gohan's Hyper Masenko, Double Super Team-Up cards, finally reveals playable Old Kami (Fucking finally!), and a live Youtube event is happening next month for the 5th anniversary of the game.

edited 10th Sep '15 1:34:24 AM by Rinsankajugin

Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#24850: Sep 10th 2015 at 2:06:17 AM

"But the general consensus seems to be that SPC while still much weaker than super saiyan 2 Gohan, would have been too much for super saiyan Gohan"

Well normal Perfect Cell was stronger than SSJ 1 Gohan so I would hope Super Perfect Cell was significantly above him.

Sorry, it's just that people seem to forget Perfect Cell was toying wit hGoku and Gohan.I've read my fair share of "Goku COULD have won that fight if he went all out." That's BS and contradicts all the facts. This isn't a Fat Buu situation with Goku holding back. Goku lost to something less than 100% Perfect Cell.

Now COULD SSJ 1 Gohan have beaten Perfect Cell as he was after Goku's fight, provided Goku doesn't give him a Senzu Bean? I would think so. Of course, I'm not too sure he was so much stronger that he could obliterate all of Cell, which you kind of need to do.

edited 10th Sep '15 2:09:53 AM by Nikkolas


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