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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#24751: Sep 7th 2015 at 6:48:08 PM

Furthermore, Beerus acknowledges Freeza as the strongest mortal in the universe and that's the feat that makes him interested in Goku.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#24752: Sep 7th 2015 at 6:52:47 PM

I don't get why Frieza would let Cold be King Cold in that event. That's the only genuine respect I think he's ever shown.

I suspect that's at least partially because Frieza is, for all intents and purposes, a king in his own right— odds are his interests and Cold's overlap. Perhaps Cold had to handle the actual burocratics (or what pass for it in a tyranny) Frieza had no interest on, but as long as Frieza still can go around exerting his own authority at will, his own title would be nothing but a meaningless nomenclature trifle to him.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#24753: Sep 7th 2015 at 7:26:56 PM

@KBSL I don't know where you got that impression, but I don't dislike anyone.

Mocking Yamcha isn't due to any animus toward him but because I find it hilarious. I used to favor him when my main exposure to the series was the Budokai games, but he didn't manage to keep my interest when I watched/read the series and got to know their actual characters.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#24754: Sep 7th 2015 at 7:30:49 PM

It's just that certain times when you're discussing them it comes across that way to me. Maybe that's not your intention but internet and all, makes it hard sometimes to get that.

Like I've said before, the Yamcha mocking would be funnier to me if it was used more sparingly. As it is now it's just beating a dead horse. Actually, it's more like beating a dead horse, feeding it to dogs, shooting the dogs, and then beating their corpses.

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#24755: Sep 7th 2015 at 7:33:52 PM

Yamcha is the Aquaman of Anime/Manga except no effort has been made by the creator to fix it.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#24756: Sep 7th 2015 at 7:38:06 PM

Aquaman was made lame by Super Friends and was never able to get past it.

Yamcha is legitimately weak in the series, and made so by his own author.

They aren't really that alike.

......When is Champa showing up?

edited 7th Sep '15 7:38:33 PM by HandsomeRob

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DoctorDiabolical So pure. Since: Mar, 2010
So pure.
#24757: Sep 7th 2015 at 7:41:20 PM

[up] Mind you, both examples are only comparing them to the strongest faces of their respective series, and there are plenty of named characters likely far weaker than them.

[up] x5 - And ahh, so Cold is King and Frieza is Dictator-for-Life? evil grin

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#24758: Sep 7th 2015 at 7:47:40 PM

Frieza probably lets Cold run the organization because he's a better businessman. Frieza's the figurehead, while Cold runs things behind the scenes.

Though why Frieza needs to run a business when he can just take whatever he wants whenever he wants by force is beyond me.

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DoctorDiabolical So pure. Since: Mar, 2010
So pure.
#24759: Sep 7th 2015 at 7:52:36 PM

[up] He doesn't like getting out of his chair. Better to have half the universe be your satisfied customer than the whole universe constantly rising out of the woodwork to try and kill you. It's the royal life.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#24760: Sep 7th 2015 at 7:56:34 PM

I'm kind of glad no-one official has pulled an Aquaman on Yamcha. The "badass" Aquaman comics were overcompensating so much it just came off as quite sad.

It's too absurd to change the detractors' minds, and can make things even worse. At best you end up with the character getting Batman level wank which isn't really a good thing.

edited 7th Sep '15 7:57:51 PM by Saiga

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#24761: Sep 7th 2015 at 8:01:38 PM

DCAU Aquaman was kind of fun. Is he even stronger in the comics or something?

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#24762: Sep 7th 2015 at 8:18:58 PM

There's also Batman The Brave And The Bold Aquaman as well.

And the reason they go so far on the Bad Ass front is that people insist on treating him like his Super Friends incarnation all the time, so DC has to jump through hoops to banish that impression, which many fans promptly pick up and put back in their place afterwards.

But that's neither here nor there.

Favourite Non Ki based technique? I'm putting up Guuldo's Time stop. If the fat bugger had learned to hold his breath longer, he'd have been invincible.

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LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#24763: Sep 7th 2015 at 8:19:49 PM

I predict Champa is going to show up around Episode 12-13, once Goku and Beerus's fight is over. Because after that, Whis knocks him out, right? It would be the best time for Champa to start doing...whatever he's doing. When Beerus is asleep.

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#24764: Sep 8th 2015 at 1:33:58 AM

So it's that time of year again for me I guess. I'm feeling like talkin' about some power levels.

How strong is this "Golden Freeza?" Was looking up some lists on Kanzenshuu and saw him placed around Omega Shenron.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#24765: Sep 8th 2015 at 1:40:25 AM

Stronger than Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Goku/Vegeta individually, weaker than the two of them working together or Beerus individually.

The only way to compare them to GT characters is if you use a vague guidebook comments that mentions Vegetto might have power surpassing than a Super Saiyan 4. Which is obviously ridiculously vague, and doesn't go into that "Super Saiyan 4" covers a massive range within GT.

Or you could take Xenoverse into account, which has SS4 Gogeta unsure if he can beat Beerus.

[up][up][up][up] Kinda yeah. It always depends on the writer but he's been given some absolutely insane powers like the ability to control ALL LIFE ON EARTH (including humans) because it once had a connection to the sea. Fucking stupid. Mostly, though, they just have a lot of characters hype him up and directly address the idea that he's useless:

"He could control every creature that lives in the sea. But I don't think either of you know what that really means. Do you know, do you understand, do you have any idea how much life there is in just one single square mile of sea? I don't think you do... and if you multiply that by lots of miles in every direction... I'd never seen anything like it in my whole life... and God as my witness, I hope to never see it again."

I haven't seen the DCAU but I've been meaning to (wouldn't know where to start). Brave and the Bold handled him pretty well though, he was cool there without it needing to be pointed out to the audience that you're supposed to like him and you're wrong if you don't.

edited 8th Sep '15 1:47:03 AM by Saiga

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#24766: Sep 8th 2015 at 1:43:26 AM

whoops lol

edited 8th Sep '15 1:43:42 AM by Saiga

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#24767: Sep 8th 2015 at 1:44:09 AM

Stronger than SSGSS Goku and Vegeta but weaker than Beerus. My numbers:

Whis: 15,000,000,000,000

Beerus: 10,000,000,000,000

Golden Freeza: 8,400,000,000,000

SSGSS Goku: 7,700,000,000,000

SSGSS Vegeta: 7,500,000,000,000

Compare to:

Buuhan: 122,040,000,000

Kid Buu: 30,000,000,000

Super Perfect Cell: 6,300,000,000

obviously these numbers are 100% my opinion and just an estimation of where I think they are.

Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#24768: Sep 8th 2015 at 1:45:57 AM

Really should play Xenoverse sometime...

Although, aren't Goku and the rest incapable of sensing Beerus and them? The whole "God Ki" business? So how would SSJ 4 Gogeta even be able to properly assess Beerus' strength?

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#24769: Sep 8th 2015 at 1:48:21 AM

He's not basing it off Beerus' ki, but wondering if he's become strong enough to beat Beerus now. In other words, Xenoverse is acting like the GT timeline still had Beerus fight Goku, and Gogeta is going off the memory of Goku (and possibly Vegeta). Which would add to the uncertainty.

Which puts Gogeta as stronger than Super Saiyan God / Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Goku, but not a great deal stronger if he's still uncertain he reached Beerus' strength.

edited 8th Sep '15 1:49:13 AM by Saiga

SaintDeltora The Mistress from The Land Of Corruption and Debauchery Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#24770: Sep 8th 2015 at 3:09:51 AM

Saiga: Either Batman The Animated Series or Superman The Animated Series is good enough.

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#24771: Sep 8th 2015 at 7:22:43 AM

Honestly, you can probably start anywhere you want with the DCAU. I tried to watching Batman TAS and it really felt like Batman was a completely different character there than Justice League.

edited 8th Sep '15 7:24:02 AM by Arha

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#24774: Sep 8th 2015 at 11:59:37 AM

I find it funny that the version of Aquaman that people are familiar with is out of date by 50 years. :P

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#24775: Sep 8th 2015 at 12:02:04 PM

I don't think most people are actually familiar with the Superfriends depiction of Aquaman anymore.

What most people today are familiar with is the meme of the Superfriends Aquaman. Very few people alive today ever watched Superfriends, but Superfriends Aquaman will never die so long as people keep reminding everyone of Superfriends Aquaman and how important it is to defeat the image of Superfriends Aquaman any time the character comes up in conversation.

That we are still trying to counteract his image is the only reason his image is still relevant today.

Remember: scorn does not kill art. Art flourishes on attention, whether positive or negative. The only thing that can kill art is apathy. Superfriends Aquaman will never die so long as people still care enough to bring him up, and more often than not, the people bringing him up are the ones trying to prove the character's better than that.

edited 8th Sep '15 12:03:57 PM by TobiasDrake

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