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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#24726: Sep 7th 2015 at 7:55:11 AM

My problem with it is that....

Well look at what Saiga was just talking about, with heroes dumping on him at every opportunity. Why? What purpose does it serve beyond piling a load of crap on someone who just keeps getting buried in crap?

Yamcha is the dead horse no one wants to stop kicking. I mean, this guy lost his girlfriend to the man who killed him and when his voice actor asked Toriyama why, all he got was What are you talking about? Yamcha cheated! Cause that suddenly became a thing that Yamcha does.

His own creator had no respect for him(or do you guys think he'd pull that shit with Krillin and 18? What else can we really say?

There's no point.

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#24727: Sep 7th 2015 at 9:15:54 AM

I liked to believe that Android 20 was significantly more powerful than 19, but he made the mistake of absorbing Yamcha's energy in South City. Yamcha's negative battle power substantially decreased 20's strength, making it possible for Piccolo to make short work of him.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#24729: Sep 7th 2015 at 10:10:07 AM

I know its come up before, but can anyone explain why Cold is weaker than Frieza, again? What exactly was said, in which version, by whom?

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Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#24730: Sep 7th 2015 at 10:41:28 AM

Do ya think Bulma will go Super Pregnant when Bra is conceived?

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#24731: Sep 7th 2015 at 10:54:12 AM

Yes. Her stomach will grow spiky blond hair.

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#24732: Sep 7th 2015 at 11:35:27 AM

I just had a stupid idea.

Tight takes a break from writing to visit Bulma and give her congrats. Then Bulma, telling Tights the effects of having a Super Saiyan pregnancy, devise a plan to prank Vegeta. Bulma goes SSJ and both her and Tights wear the same outfit.

Vegeta is confused and angry.

edited 7th Sep '15 11:35:59 AM by Rinsankajugin

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#24733: Sep 7th 2015 at 2:33:42 PM

@Soble

Freeza, during his fight with Goku, compliments him by telling him that his parents have been the only ones able to get dust on his true form.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#24734: Sep 7th 2015 at 2:45:14 PM

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Wast that something he said in both versions? I thought it was just a dub thing.

wild mass guessAlso, (Not)Super Saiyan Chi-Chi, Bulma and Videl will defeat the final villain of Super with a combined Kamehameha.wild mass guess

Well, it's nice to dream.

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#24735: Sep 7th 2015 at 2:57:28 PM

Dreams, yes. Delusions?

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#24736: Sep 7th 2015 at 3:09:12 PM

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That doesn't quite say "Frieza is the strongest" to me though. Did he say anything more, because that's a bizarre statement to me, "the last person to get dust on my true form,".

edited 7th Sep '15 3:11:47 PM by Soble

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BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#24737: Sep 7th 2015 at 3:09:51 PM

NOOOooooooooooooo!

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#24738: Sep 7th 2015 at 3:11:02 PM

Daizenshuu 7 explicitly says Cold is weaker.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#24739: Sep 7th 2015 at 3:12:24 PM

What are the Daizenshuu, how genuine are they? Can they be viewed online?

edited 7th Sep '15 3:12:46 PM by Soble

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#24740: Sep 7th 2015 at 3:18:07 PM

Cold himself comments that anyone who can defeat Frieza must be the strongest in the universe, clearly establishing that he considers Frieza above himself in terms of power.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#24741: Sep 7th 2015 at 3:23:42 PM

[up][up] Here's a translation of the big character guide from Daizenshuu 7.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#24742: Sep 7th 2015 at 3:29:24 PM

[up](x2) I remember that scene, but that's English dubbed Dragonball from back in the 90's, I've always taken it with a grain of salt.

Oh, so that's it. Thank you, but hold on.

Though he's the head of the strongest family in the universe, he is somewhat inferior to Freeza.

You're sure that this is the best translation available? "He is somewhat inferior" is a vague statement, and doesn't that conflict with calling someone the "head of the strongest family?" I thought this was a power level list. I'm told the Wiki isn't trustworthy, I don't have much reason to trust this site either.

I don't get why Frieza would let Cold be King Cold in that event. That's the only genuine respect I think he's ever shown. But then in ROF he objects to reviving his dad, perhaps for that reason - Cold being King actually bothered him, deep down.

edited 7th Sep '15 3:47:59 PM by Soble

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#24743: Sep 7th 2015 at 3:33:57 PM

[up] That was translated directly from Japanese by a site generally agreed to be much better than the Wikia. It's legit.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#24744: Sep 7th 2015 at 3:40:23 PM

Well if that's what it said. It humanizes Freeza somewhat - never thought I'd see those words in a sentence without kill, death, or destruction somewhere in between.

Makes you wonder what happened to Queen Cold/Freeza.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#24745: Sep 7th 2015 at 3:44:04 PM

There was an unclear comment Toriyama made that has some speculating that Cold, like the Namekians, may have been a Truly Single Parent.

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#24746: Sep 7th 2015 at 3:46:27 PM

Pretty sure his reasoning in Revival Of F was that he did not want to take orders from his father anymore. That implies either greater strength or some level of respect son has for father.

For some reason, fans have problems buying either. Apparently nothing prior to the androids can be stronger than Freeza unless its a super saiyan and Freeza can't have any redeeming qualities.(because Moral Myopia doesn't exist)

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DoctorDiabolical So pure. Since: Mar, 2010
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#24747: Sep 7th 2015 at 3:49:18 PM

Wait a sec, I thought when Sorbet offered to revive Cold, Shu stole the wish and there was nothing more said on it?

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#24748: Sep 7th 2015 at 3:58:20 PM

For some reason, fans have problems buying either. Apparently nothing prior to the androids can be stronger than Freeza unless its a super saiyan and Freeza can't have any redeeming qualities.(because Moral Myopia doesn't exist)

I don't think Frieza's characterization up until that point allowed for "loving family" to be on the list of his redeeming qualities.

And it's not that nothing can be stronger than him... wait, actually, yeah it's that, it's that something is weaker than him but not subservient to him. Absence of evidence, fair enough - it just slapped me across the face when someone told me Cold was actually weaker. Why is Cold still alive? Because Frieza actually likes his dad and doesn't view everyone else as pawns. Could've fooled me.

I'd say that concept would be more plausible with better establishment, but that's just preaching to the choir.

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I think so, yes, but immediately after, Sorbet says they could gather the balls again and revive Cold, and Frieza refuses, saying Cold's not worth the trouble, blahbity blah. I laughed at how their attempts at being Genre Savvy were shot down.

edited 7th Sep '15 4:03:22 PM by Soble

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#24749: Sep 7th 2015 at 4:03:38 PM

King Cold's acknowledgement that Trunks is now the strongest in the universe after defeating Frieza is also in the manga, not just the anime or dub.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#24750: Sep 7th 2015 at 4:06:57 PM

[up] Interestingly, the anime kinda screws up in that regard. Not only does it say Cold is stronger than Frieza, but Frieza powers up to 100%, which he doesn't in that scene in the manga. Trunks annihilates them both anyway, making him even more impressive than he already was.


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