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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#24676: Sep 6th 2015 at 8:35:24 PM

[up][up][up][up][up]I'm a she.

But yes, I was rude, and unnecessarily so.

Sorry.

edited 6th Sep '15 8:35:56 PM by unnoun

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#24677: Sep 6th 2015 at 8:35:31 PM

It was just my opinion. I never claim that my numbers are correct, ever. I'm just using numbers to express where I think all the early fighters are.

[up] No prob.

edited 6th Sep '15 8:36:36 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#24678: Sep 6th 2015 at 8:36:59 PM

Agreed. with Roshi and Goku being equals.

Though what Goku lacked in tricks, he made up with ingenuity, often being able to copy or counter Roshi mere moments after seeing said trick the latter pulled out.

One Strip! One Strip!
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#24679: Sep 6th 2015 at 8:38:38 PM

Goku was way weaker. He only kept up because of his ingenuity and Roshi blowing all of his energy destroying the moon.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#24680: Sep 6th 2015 at 8:39:07 PM

Videl didn't learn to fly as fast as Goten did, but she still got it down that same day.

Considering every day she doesn't get beaten to death by her best friend to activate the innate species ability to get stronger after being beaten to death she doesn't have.

[up] I don't think so.

edited 6th Sep '15 8:40:55 PM by unnoun

Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#24681: Sep 6th 2015 at 8:39:53 PM

Out of curiosity Guy, do you post on CBR? There is a user there with a similar name.

Although while we're on the topic of power levels, General Blue has always perplexed me. He's superhumanly strong certainly but I wasn't sure if the fact he could apparently hurt Krillin and Goku was due to his paralysis power

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#24682: Sep 6th 2015 at 8:41:39 PM

I think Blue was stronger than Krillin, only by a little bit, but way less skilled and way weaker than Goku.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#24683: Sep 6th 2015 at 8:44:41 PM

I'm pretty sure it's been stated that Mr. Satan is the strongest normie. He won his tournaments legitimately, it's just that all the superhumans like Krillin, Goku, Roshi, and Tien, who could've wiped the floor with him, were off doing other things.

However, I don't doubt that learning to master Ki probably gave Videl a nice power boost.

edited 6th Sep '15 8:46:28 PM by Anomalocaris20

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#24684: Sep 6th 2015 at 8:46:01 PM

Pushover: When was the last time you read that fight?

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#24685: Sep 6th 2015 at 8:49:21 PM

And I can imagine Videl getting a little stronger training for fun after Buu.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#24686: Sep 6th 2015 at 8:56:32 PM

[up]

I don't know. If Super is any indication, she's undergone Toriyama Stay in the Kitchen-ifcation.

I mean, I like the idea that she's go for the same training with Korrin and Dende—in place of Kami— that the other humans did, but it looks like she's just being normal now.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#24687: Sep 6th 2015 at 9:00:22 PM

Are studying martial arts under talking cats and aliens and "being normal" mutually exclusive?

On second thought, don't answer that.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#24688: Sep 6th 2015 at 9:05:34 PM

I mean, plenty of people work out in plenty of ways.

Videl was raised in a martial arts family and is marrying someone raised in a martial arts family.

It's something she's familiar with and seemingly likes and enjoys.

She's allowed to like other things in addition to that, though.

...Funnily enough, I think she and Gohan might be a little jealous of each other on some level. The way Gohan kinda wants to be 'normal', the way Videl wants to be strong.

I mean, I can buy Videl getting along reasonably well with Vegeta or Goku because there are aspects of her temperament that are vaguely Saiyan-ish.

She and Gohan met because she refused to countenance the idea of someone being stronger than her.

She's basically Vegeta in a slashfic.

edited 6th Sep '15 9:09:04 PM by unnoun

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#24689: Sep 6th 2015 at 9:10:34 PM

@Arha Read it a couple weeks ago. Goku was clearly behind the whole fight, even if he was putting up a decent fight and was having fun.

LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#24690: Sep 6th 2015 at 9:11:05 PM

Like I said, Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z can almost be in a different universe sometimes.

Dragon Ball is a World of Badass where bullets are useless, trained martial artists can blow up the moon, and even the rules of physics operates on gag logic.

By the Cell Saga, and even before that, it had been dropped to make way for a more 'realistic' approach to power. Most humans were completely weak, and ki control was behind why the members of the cast had been able to go past human limitations. Being a trained martial artist no longer made you bulletproof. Perhaps some humans had the potential to be strong, but they didn't have anyone to learn ki from.

While they are the same series, it's really hard to place Mr. Satan and Videl in the same universe as the old Tenkaichi Budokai contestants. The rules of the DB universe had just changed so much during that time.

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#24691: Sep 6th 2015 at 9:11:27 PM

And Roshi was barely holding back panic the whole time because?

^ Yeah, I kind of feel the same way. Like Videl is supposed to be as strong as the cast was back during the tournaments but portrayed less comically.

edited 6th Sep '15 9:12:29 PM by Arha

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#24692: Sep 6th 2015 at 9:16:40 PM

Roshi wasn't holding back panic, he was just constantly being surprised by Goku's creativeness. The reason being that he didn't even expect Goku to put up a real challenge at all.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#24693: Sep 6th 2015 at 9:18:38 PM

I think I'm going to say that Tambourine is the point of divergence.

Mr. Satan is about as strong as the characters up to that point, but without their techniques.

...I mean, Videl is already stronger than Mr. Satan, according to Gohan. So. That's a thing.

I mean, her dad can be slapped around by Cell and Buu when it's being played for laughs.

She gets methodically tortured in a scene played for brutality. So I guess comic relief isn't genetic.

[up] The reason Roshi entered was to test the mettle of his students and let them prove themselves, as well as teach them a small lesson about there always being someone stronger and there always being more to learn.

He didn't think as little of them as you're implying.

edited 6th Sep '15 9:22:04 PM by unnoun

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#24694: Sep 6th 2015 at 9:23:27 PM

He entered to teach them that they aren't the best in the world because he had supreme confidence that he was stronger and that they could not win against him.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#24695: Sep 6th 2015 at 9:24:28 PM

He taught them everything they knew.

He didn't teach them everything he knew.

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#24696: Sep 6th 2015 at 9:33:18 PM

^^ And then it turned out, woops, he was tiring out and seriously afraid he might lose.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#24697: Sep 6th 2015 at 9:37:30 PM

[up]

Well, that was after tossing a moon killing Kamehameha.

I still say they were maybe about equal, but it's possible that Goku was a little stronger and Roshi made up for that gap with pure skill and experience.

At the lest, if they were both tired, I can picture Goku having a bit more left in the tank.

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#24698: Sep 6th 2015 at 11:32:13 PM

I don't buy beginning of series Goku as a 10 as that would mean that Grandpa Gohan would have to be far below 100 in order to die from him as an Oozaru. I put Goku at 30 around that time. I also put Videl at around 60.

Grandpa Gohan was an old man without the benefit of the Fountain of Youth to reinvigorate him. He also survived at least one Oozaru incident, which is no small feat, so I'm not sure where you're getting that he would have to be far below 100. He has, at the very least, a 1:1 W/L record with Goku's Oozaru.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#24699: Sep 6th 2015 at 11:59:43 PM

You have to factor in Goku's aging and training with his grandpa making him stronger. Grandpa Gohan defeated a very young Oozaru Goku, then time passed, then a less young Oozaru Goku beat Grandpa Gohan to death, then more time passed, then we see the Goku we see at the beginning of the series.

Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#24700: Sep 7th 2015 at 12:05:45 AM

Tao and Crane Hermit are about Roshi's age, did they ever drink from the Fountain of Youth?


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