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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#24601: Sep 6th 2015 at 6:49:41 PM

Well, half- and quarter-Saiyans seem to behave as full-bloods in all but name, so there's that.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#24602: Sep 6th 2015 at 6:49:43 PM

[up][up]Yes, it is, but it's also weird how they all speak English.

I suppose it's the sort of thing you could disregard if you want to because it never comes up in the show itself. But it is something that's been established.

[down]Apparently their numbers are improving independent of help. I never understood that attitude towards pandas, they're hardly the only animals that don't breed well in captivity.

edited 6th Sep '15 6:52:33 PM by LSBK

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#24603: Sep 6th 2015 at 6:49:47 PM

^^^^ Well, pandas are kind of genetic failures. With the amount of money being sunk into preserving them I'm not exactly shocked that their numbers are improving.

edited 6th Sep '15 6:50:09 PM by Arha

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#24604: Sep 6th 2015 at 6:50:54 PM

Dragonball/Steven Universe Dad/Mom outfit swap

If I didn't exclude myself from that wish, Vegeta would insist on making me a Super Saiyan.

Wait, I thought we established that Bulma is already part-Saiyan, in the same way Cell was?

edited 6th Sep '15 6:53:20 PM by unnoun

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#24605: Sep 6th 2015 at 6:53:36 PM

It takes a metric fuckton of effort to get pandas to reproduce with each other. This is a species that is trying to die, and we're too stubborn to let nature do its job.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#24606: Sep 6th 2015 at 6:54:59 PM

Yeah, like I said in the SU thread, Krillin is a much better fit than Vegeta.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#24607: Sep 6th 2015 at 6:55:16 PM

If there's one thing I've learned from being a biologist for my entire adult life it's that nature is evil.

Almost as evil as we are.

Granted, we're the result of and a part of nature.

Any distinction between us and the action of the natural world seems like an arbitrary statement about our own self-importance.

edited 6th Sep '15 6:56:44 PM by unnoun

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#24608: Sep 6th 2015 at 6:57:12 PM

Of course we are important.

Unlike everything else in the world, we'll eventually outgrow the need for a planet.

That makes us infinitely cooler than everything else in the planet.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#24609: Sep 6th 2015 at 6:58:32 PM

Again, no species "tries" to die. Reproduction is hard for them for very specific reasons that are a byproduct of their lifestlye that they have compensations for. And there current situation is the way it is because of human interference.

I'm fine with letting nature takes its course but I won't pretend the current state of affairs is because "they've given up on life" something else ridiculous.

Edit: And yes, we're apart of nature, but we also exert far more control over nature and have a far more reaching effect than any other species. I'm not going to be crazy and go on about how humans are the devil and everything else would be great without us, I'd just like that effect be kept in mind when discussing things like this.

edited 6th Sep '15 7:00:27 PM by LSBK

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#24610: Sep 6th 2015 at 6:58:39 PM

[up][up]Nah.

What we're most likely to eventually do is wipe ourselves out and take everything else down with us.

There's some projections that indicate it's already too late to stop it.

The bacteria on Mars will be fine though.

Life will go on.

but we also exert far more control over nature and have a far more reaching effect than any other species. I'm not going to be crazy and go on about how humans are the devil and everything else would be great without us, I'd just like that effect be kept in mind when discussing things like this.

I'm not sure I'd personally call what we do "control".

edited 6th Sep '15 7:03:02 PM by unnoun

NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#24611: Sep 6th 2015 at 6:59:23 PM

> The sole current show in the 'frat boys in training'-oriented Cartoon Network that has a strong female axis.

> Now it turns out its females aren't even females by any actual stretch.

Oi vey.

we'll eventually outgrow the need for a planet.

I frankly doubt we can expand to other planets before we destroy each other.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#24612: Sep 6th 2015 at 6:59:48 PM

And what does anything in this conversation have to do with Dragon Ball Z?

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#24613: Sep 6th 2015 at 7:00:32 PM

Wiping out planets and one-gendered aliens that have fusion.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#24614: Sep 6th 2015 at 7:00:56 PM

[up][up][up]Frat boy in-training?

[up][up]It was tangentially related but now not even that.

edited 6th Sep '15 7:01:26 PM by LSBK

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#24615: Sep 6th 2015 at 7:02:09 PM

I mean, didn't Cartoon Network used to air Dragon Ball?

...And Powerpuff Girls.

Hmm.

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#24616: Sep 6th 2015 at 7:02:30 PM

LSBK: I don't think anyone seriously meant pandas are trying to die out, only that they're such failures that left to their own devices they'd probably go extinct in a week.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#24617: Sep 6th 2015 at 7:03:48 PM

I'm just a bit sour to that phrasing. I also don't think that's actually true after finding out more about how Panda's operate but this is really off topic.

NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#24618: Sep 6th 2015 at 7:04:19 PM

Yeah, well. Take most Cartoon Network current male leads- Gumball, the GO! boy Titans, the Uncle Grandpa crew, Finn and Jake, Ben 10, Mordecai and Rigby, Clarence, heck, Steven himself... now age those who are still too young a little, try to imagine them all in one stereotypical college fraternity, the kind you'd see into any randy cheap US comedy film— and damn but if they won't all fit in one way or another.

That's the mentality CN favors for their target audience.

edited 6th Sep '15 7:05:41 PM by NapoleonDeCheese

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#24620: Sep 6th 2015 at 7:05:34 PM

Re-rail.

I think Cooler is actually only a little stronger than Frieza, but able to hold his Normal form for longer.

The fifth form he took might be his own unique mutation that developed from his ability to indefinitely maintain his normal form (perhaps due to fully mastering said normal form, in the same way that Goku and Gohan would go on to master Super Saiyan 2).

Despite that, he's only a little stronger than Frieza, since Goku defeated him as easily as he did his brother once the latter busted out Super Saiyan.

One Strip! One Strip!
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#24621: Sep 6th 2015 at 7:09:21 PM

I think Cooler is non-canon but, if we must have this conversation, I have Cooler at:

Base Cooler: 4,000,000

Base Goku: 4,500,000

Transformed Cooler: 160,000,000

SS 1 Goku: 225,000,000

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#24622: Sep 6th 2015 at 7:20:47 PM

He totally is, though since his movie takes place during the three year training for the androids, and little is mentioned of what happened during that time, similar to Bojack, he could be canon.

I used to question that, but after a recent discussion on the Multiverse thread, I even ended up theorizing that the reason he's not running the planet trade even though he might be stronger is because he might actually be shit at running the family business.

One Strip! One Strip!
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#24623: Sep 6th 2015 at 7:27:23 PM

Cooler is weaker than Freeza, actually.

Even if you're going against canon by having him exist, the fact of the matter is, if he was stronger than Freeza, he'd be running the business, not Freeza, regardless of his competence at it, because Freeza is shit at it too, and if he was stronger than Freeza, then Beerus wouldn't put such emphasis on Freeza being the strongest mortal in the universe.

Then there's also the fact that he gave nowhere near as good a showing against Base Goku as Freeza did. Freeza tanked a freaking Spirit Bomb so huge it could be seen from Space.

edited 6th Sep '15 7:28:49 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#24624: Sep 6th 2015 at 7:28:56 PM

Ah. Then perhaps his only virtue is his mastery of his normal form....with the larger form being something he developed to compensate for his weaker power.

Kinda funny really.

Well, I already know Cooler is non-canon anyway, but it was fun to speculate.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#24625: Sep 6th 2015 at 7:33:35 PM

Despite Cooler being intended as stronger than Freeza, they dropped the ball by copying the Goku / Freeza fight too heavily and using Cooler's Final Form as a substitute for Freeza's 50% power.

Base Goku fights evenly, his opponent powers up (50% power / final form) and even his Kaio-ken x20 fails, he turns Super Saiyan and then outclasses them. And then Cooler's movie had to be wrapped up, so he ended up looking seriously unimpressive.

Really, the only way to make Cooler's new form work is if it accomplished something Freeza didn't, and actually allowed him to gain the upper hand against Super Saiyan Goku. But then they'd need some other uninspired way to conclude the movie.


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