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LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#24201: Aug 31st 2015 at 8:43:29 PM

Are we seriously debating power levels in a movie?

Fusion Reborn takes place around the moment where the anime was up to when it started airing, regardless of whether that makes sense or not. I don't know if Ultimate Gohan was a thing by that point. It certainly didn't look like it.

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#24202: Aug 31st 2015 at 8:52:50 PM

[up][up]Um, considering he could teleport to the afterlife normally, he could definitely do it with the dimensional walls broken down.

[up]Yeah, movies are hardly consistent on anything.

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#24203: Aug 31st 2015 at 9:15:13 PM

Well, he's dead. Aside from his one day on Earth, he's not allowed back in the mortal realm.

Though, I guess a lot of other people snuck out of hell on that day...

Meh. By the time Goku realized he was outmatched against Janemba, Vegeta was there and ready to fuse, so there wasn't much reason to get Gohan anyway.

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#24204: Sep 1st 2015 at 1:19:07 AM

The eternal struggle... of looking up AM Vs of the original Dragon Ball, no Z attached.

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#24205: Sep 1st 2015 at 3:22:37 AM

[up][up]No, Goku realized he was outmatched against Janemba since the moment Janemba was no longer morbidly obese.

Furthermore, Freeza, Cell and loads of other people are also dead and yet they're roaming the world.

Or, in other words, there's literally no reason why Goku couldn't pick up Gohan if he wanted to.

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#24206: Sep 1st 2015 at 8:31:25 AM

[up]Besides not really knowing if he could do that, he was only sent to hell to deal with the fat demon thing.

edited 1st Sep '15 8:31:43 AM by randomness4

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#24207: Sep 1st 2015 at 9:58:18 AM

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Old King Piccolo, Towa, SSJ3 Time Patrol Trunks and SSJ3 Adult Gohan.

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#24208: Sep 1st 2015 at 10:21:22 AM

Adult Gohan, why are you back in Piccolo's clothes? I thought you were wearing your dad's stuff now!

GOHAN: Have you actually watched the Buu arc? When I wear my dad's gi, I'm a supporting character at best. I have to job to whoever I'm fighting so dad can come in and kick their ass. I only get to be awesome in Piccolo's clothes. In this outfit, I'm Piccolo's successor. In that one, I'm Dad's sidekick.

Huh. Fair enough.

edited 1st Sep '15 10:21:59 AM by TobiasDrake

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#24209: Sep 1st 2015 at 10:25:26 AM

As if being Piccolo's successor means, well, anything. Beyond an emotional standpoint, of course.

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#24210: Sep 1st 2015 at 10:53:09 AM

[up][up]Huh...I never noticed that, but yea Gohan tends to do significantly better when he isn't wearing his Dad's clothes...

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#24212: Sep 1st 2015 at 12:50:50 PM

Are we seriously debating power levels in a movie?

Power levels will never go away.

Not when Team Four Star makes fun of it. Not when Toriyama reduces the scale to 1 through 10.

I think fans just like to argue. There's no other franchise I know of with a consistent power system that invites so much debate. Nobody argues whether Kenpachi could beat Aizen or whether Naruto could beat Orochimaru, it's just clear, or it doesn't matter.

edited 1st Sep '15 12:51:48 PM by Soble

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#24213: Sep 1st 2015 at 1:25:25 PM

Seven Deadly Sins recently introduced a pretty good Power Level system. Regarding Dragon Ball, it helps that all the numbers we're given consistently match up to each other even if Power Creep got a little silly. I don't even try going into the movies, however, because I don't actually like or care about any of them.

Like I've said in the past; Power Levels aren't the problem, the problem is that the tools used to measure Power Levels, the Scouters, could very easily be fooled and had a tendency to explode. Clearly the solution is to get better Scouters, not throw an entire system of measuring out the window.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#24214: Sep 1st 2015 at 1:28:18 PM

The power measuring systems, both for Dragon Ball Z and The Seven Deadly Sins would work much better to me if they answered one question; what unit are they starting with and measuring? What constitutes a "one"?

I don't hate them or thing they're totally meaningless like a lot of other people do, but I will say that if a series ever actually answered that question, it would make things a lot easier and enjoyable.

edited 1st Sep '15 2:28:01 PM by LSBK

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#24215: Sep 1st 2015 at 1:30:21 PM

Dragon Ball did actually give us a measurement of 1: four-year-old Gohan.

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#24216: Sep 1st 2015 at 1:40:43 PM

I'm pretty sure that's not what the system is based on, though.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#24217: Sep 1st 2015 at 1:42:36 PM

Yeah, that someone showed a reading of one does not tell us what the system is based off of. The scouters don't use four-year old gohan as the base with everything else being built on that. It used and established system that he apparently read as the very bare minimum.

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#24218: Sep 1st 2015 at 1:56:00 PM

It obviously isn't based on that but it does tell us that the average Power Level of an adult Human is 5 which is apparently five times more than an unremarkable four-year-old Human and if you're insane you can extrapolate from there.

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#24219: Sep 1st 2015 at 2:22:22 PM

No, because that would imply that five four year olds could beat a grown man. They can't. Two ordinary grown men couldn't beat Goku at the start of the series either.

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#24220: Sep 1st 2015 at 2:27:20 PM

Oh, you know that Dragon Ball doesn't work like that. Ten people, each with a Power Level of 700, can never defeat one guy with a Power Level of 7,000. That's why the Multiform Technique is completely useless in one-v-one's.

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#24221: Sep 1st 2015 at 2:32:32 PM

[up][up] That reminds me of this.

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#24222: Sep 1st 2015 at 2:35:25 PM

In Negi's defense, have you ever fought a cat?

1,001 cats could win a fight against a lot of things.

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#24223: Sep 1st 2015 at 2:42:05 PM

So Aoshima and Tashirojima contain the world's greatest fighting force, then.

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#24224: Sep 1st 2015 at 2:45:12 PM

Yes. Onwards, Aoshima!

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#24225: Sep 1st 2015 at 2:49:03 PM

If it can bleed, a bunch of cats can kill it.

Anyway, Dragon Ball has always consistently had the whole "One in Perfection surpasses Many in Harmony" thing going on. I mean, a single strong warrior has always been more effective than a lot of weaker ones, Fusion is greater than the sum of its parts, stuff like that.

Plus, the reason ten guys with a Powerlevel of 100 wouldn't be able to beat a guy with a powerlevel of 1000 is because they wouldn't even be able to actively hurt said guy. We're not dealing with strength differences of the kind we see in real life, where a Zerg Rush is effective because you can't really be strong enough to just be unable to be hurt by people, no matter how weak they are in comparison to you.

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