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Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#24176: Aug 31st 2015 at 1:05:46 PM

The movie treats Freeza way more seriously than it should. Really it should have gone more like this.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#24178: Aug 31st 2015 at 1:34:13 PM

[up][up]Technically, that's what Fusion Reborn ended up doing to him.

edited 31st Aug '15 1:34:38 PM by Lionheart0

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#24179: Aug 31st 2015 at 1:36:18 PM

And it was hilarious.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#24180: Aug 31st 2015 at 1:41:24 PM

That's the one where Gohan punches him once and explodes, right?

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#24182: Aug 31st 2015 at 1:44:06 PM

[up][up]Yep. And Gotenks defeats Hitler and the Nazi Regime.

edited 31st Aug '15 1:44:36 PM by Lionheart0

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#24183: Aug 31st 2015 at 2:35:54 PM

And IIRC, Gohan one-shotted Final Form Freeza in base form.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#24184: Aug 31st 2015 at 2:49:07 PM

Yes and no, as he was Mystic Gohan when that happened.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#24186: Aug 31st 2015 at 5:18:52 PM

So it occurs to me:

If Freeza still has any minions left again, they could still bring him back with the Namekian Dragonballs if they.....

Oh wait. Password. Never mind.

Man, it's a good thing that wouldn't work. I'm thinking Frieza would have finally learned his lesson if he was revived again.

One Strip! One Strip!
Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#24187: Aug 31st 2015 at 5:24:37 PM

Would anyone ever try bringing Freeza for the second time? By now they must've catch up on the fact that he's just going to go after Goku and get himself killed like an idiot again.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#24188: Aug 31st 2015 at 5:36:42 PM

@Very Melon

I don't know, and I doubt it.

When it comes down to it, if Gohan had been Ultimate Gohan at the time, he could've probably owned Janemba on his own, and Goku would've known this.

So if Mystic Gohan is a thing, Fusion Reborn makes no sense even when you divorce it from canon.

edited 31st Aug '15 5:37:12 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#24189: Aug 31st 2015 at 6:01:15 PM

For what it's worth, you may be right on further consideration. When I made my claim I was under the impression that since Goku's base wasn't higher than Freiza's maximun, then Gohan's base couldn't be either. You can see where I just derped out there by making a assumption.

edited 31st Aug '15 6:05:46 PM by VeryMelon

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#24190: Aug 31st 2015 at 6:16:46 PM

Freeza clearly wasn't using his 100% there. He wasn't musclebound. He overestimated himself and underestimated Gohan.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#24191: Aug 31st 2015 at 6:18:25 PM

Yeah that's part of why I said you were correct.

BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#24192: Aug 31st 2015 at 6:18:48 PM

"Wait, I'm only at half my full power!"

"I don't see how that's my problem...."

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#24193: Aug 31st 2015 at 6:24:50 PM

That's a line for the Abridged series if I ever heard one.tongue

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Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#24194: Aug 31st 2015 at 6:28:44 PM

The actual answer is that base sayians being weaker than Freeza is not something established until Battle of the Gods, full 18 years later. At the time when they were making the movie they had no idea that was supposed to be the case.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#24195: Aug 31st 2015 at 6:32:15 PM

[up]But it's not something that can't be handwaved away with a simple "Freeza wasn't at full power."

To quote Dragon Ball Xenoverse:

Freeza (First Form): "I have no intention of fighting at full power."

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#24196: Aug 31st 2015 at 6:39:18 PM

Is it odd that I occasionally wonder if it would've been better if the later villains shouldn't have been all that much stronger than Frieza, just having additional gimmicks that make them harder to keep down? The Androids can't get tired, Cell can regenerate, Buu can regenerate and absorb, that sort of thing.

edited 31st Aug '15 6:42:58 PM by HamburgerTime

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#24197: Aug 31st 2015 at 6:54:02 PM

Frieza in Fusion Reborn wasn't all jacked up, so he was probably at half power. It's not infeasible to imagine Gohan's base surpasses 60,000,000, we just know it didn't go higher than 120,000,000.

As for why he can't roflstomp Janemba, it's because Janemba is in hell. Gohan isn't. Simple as that.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#24198: Aug 31st 2015 at 7:28:32 PM

Dat instant transmission, doh.

what do you mean I didn't win, I ate more wet t-shirts than anyone else
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#24199: Aug 31st 2015 at 7:33:24 PM

Which has already proven to be able to go to the afterlife.

Also, this is the Janemba incident, dimensions are so effed up that one can simply walk into HFIL at this stage.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#24200: Aug 31st 2015 at 8:17:16 PM

I don't think Goku could really just IT over into the mortal realm, grab his son, bring him to hell to step on Janemba, then warp him back. Even with the fabric between dimensions twisted around.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!

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