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Guy01 Since: Mar, 2015
#24151: Aug 30th 2015 at 10:27:21 PM

You know, I think this is a Golden Opportunity. If they really want to extend the fight, they could remove Frieza's 'super convenient power drain problem' and have him be a serious threat to Goku.

Because, IMO, he never felt like one in that movie.

Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?
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#24152: Aug 30th 2015 at 11:57:28 PM

I still think the time between Battle Of Gods and Revival Of F should be Goku\Vegeta's adventures in learning to master their new godly energy, Goku lost in Universe 6 and Vegeta dealing with a problem at home with no Goku to bail him out. And Goku's adventures totally need to involve a godly grounds keeper and ferryman, who help him protect a Sage on pilgrimage in their search for the "Super Dragon Balls". Though thinking it over, if the ferryman is a fighter too, it makes Goku and Grounds Keeper redundant, so the third fighter in the Power Trio will be a divine lifeguard.

The grounds keeper would be a balding, sardonic, bearded man of few words whose battle techniques would all have mundane uses related to cleaning, construction and presentation. The lifeguard would be an boastful handsome lech whose battle techniques would all be inspired by maritime practices. Both would excel in the water but lifeguard's ego would be constantly be damaged by Goku being better in the ground\air and grounds keeper being better in fluid environments. Also, and the grounds keeper and lifeguard could get new transformations for a later, post Revival of F appearance when Goku has Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan.

Enemies after the sage that Goku and party would have to fight would all be godly being who were corrupted into monstrosities after being banished from their usual realm. It would later turn out the one responsible would be a despotic God-Emperor stronger than his universe's god of destruction, possibly stronger than Beerus, maybe even strong enough to make Whis exert a little effort. But dealing with him would come later, if at all. Initially the goals would be completing the pilgrimage and getting the Super Dragon Balls, which would run at the same time as the briefs, Kais, Kaioshin and Vegeta saving Earth. Then it would be Golden Freeza. Then God Emperor's armies+Quirky Miniboss Squad or a tournament arc, or an extended Take That!\alternate take on the shadow dragons. He'd be build up for another arc or two before being directly confronted.

edited 31st Aug '15 9:39:59 AM by IndirectActiveTransport

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#24153: Aug 31st 2015 at 1:01:22 AM

On the whole Mai/Trunks thing, I like Trunks trying to save face after bragging to Goten, but after that, it just went too far.

edited 31st Aug '15 1:01:33 AM by BaconManiac5000

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#24154: Aug 31st 2015 at 1:58:51 AM

I'm still half convinced that Goku AND Vegeta are going to go to Universe 6, and then they'll be stuck there. And they get the help of the denizens of that universe to gather the Super Dragon Balls and get home.

It's a really convenient way of splitting up the characters. And you can make it so something bad is happening on Earth, and the other characters are delaying it, but they can't completely stop it without Goku and Vegeta there.

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
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#24155: Aug 31st 2015 at 5:03:52 AM

Because, IMO, he never felt like one in that movie.

I think that's the point. Beerus is the one thing thus far that has actually been a threat, and yet still isn't an actual threat - all you need is some Turkey Hill ice cream and he's happy.

Yo!Son Goku makes a running gag out of how weak the villains are compared to the current fighters.

Budokai Tenkaichi 1/2

I suppose, but then I have to dig out Tenkaichi 3 again.

edited 31st Aug '15 5:05:19 AM by Soble

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#24156: Aug 31st 2015 at 5:10:44 AM

I think the only reason people would ship the two in the first place is because they probably don't know or remember who the Pilaf Gang are.

Remember, a huge amount of people in this fandom have never watched or read the original DB.

This was on Kanzenshuu, where people are absolutely familiar with DB and the Pilaf Gang. They knew how old Mai is.

ADORBS

edited 31st Aug '15 5:11:18 AM by Saiga

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#24157: Aug 31st 2015 at 9:47:24 AM

I agree with everyone else on here. It's not adorable. It's super-creepy. I don't care what her body looks like, Mai is older than Trunks's mom, and Trunks hasn't even hit puberty yet. There is nothing endearing about this.

This is not a Toy Ship. This is a full-sized freighter rubbing uncomfortably against a toy sailboat. Dragon Ball, why are you asking me to support pedophilia? I trusted you....

edited 31st Aug '15 9:48:12 AM by TobiasDrake

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#24158: Aug 31st 2015 at 10:00:58 AM

Things like this are often the results of double standards. Like, people would be far less likely to call it adorable if it were a young pan or bra being paired with some old man who had been turned into a kid.

This usually doesn't crop up when you're talking about kids of any age, but it still does sometimes.

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#24159: Aug 31st 2015 at 10:13:22 AM

The problem with sending Vegeta to universe six is that his fighting style is mostly a shallower version of Goku's, distinct mostly by his KI blast techniques being more destructive, and I'm not even sure of that given Goku has the Genki Dama spirit bomb.

Trying to demonstrate the differences between universe six and seven, the universe six denizen's to sevens and draw distinction to Goku and Vegeta at the same time? Reads like a headache. That's why I would be doing the latter separately, Vegeta's own path to achieving becoming god and mastering it while Goku shows us more about the wider setting. They already ass pulled the "You hurt my friend, power increase" gimmick out of Gohan and shoved it into Vegeta, so why not give Vegeta Gohan's saiyan saga role while we're at it?

He can come to universe six later, after we've firmly established something else he does differently and maybe reintroduced some of Goku's techniques from earlier in the series...yeah, solar flare and after image may not be as useful with the whole "sense KI" being such a huge plot point but not everyone can sense KI, much less godly KI. And why not use the eight arms attack more?

Better yet, Goku and Vegeta could really use some new techniques. Perhaps something each learnscomes up with while in separate "universes" to take down a respective nemesis?

I also realized a tournament isn't such a good idea. It would be a nice way to introduce new characters and expand on newly introduced ones, but given we still have to build up to the tournament with Uub...that's the kind of thing I hate about prequels. On the other hand, Goten\Trunk's reluctance to fight Majin Buu suggests they never get Super Saiyain God or that Buu has been managing to keep up with the Saiyans after all...I like the latter implication better. But exactly how would Buu catch back up?(give him a new transformation too?)

edited 31st Aug '15 10:15:27 AM by IndirectActiveTransport

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#24160: Aug 31st 2015 at 10:30:50 AM

It's definitely a double standard. It's something we've talked a bit about in the OTC a few times: in a relationship, the male half is generally "credited" with it, so to speak.

If an adult male hooks up with an adolescent female, we shame him for preying on children. As we should.

If an adolescent male hooks up with an adult female, on the other hand, we applaud him and pat him on the bat for his amazing accomplishment. You were so awesome that you bagged an adult woman?! Good job! +500 Man Points! Instead of seeing it as every bit as sick and predatory as the above example, but on the woman's part.

In both cases, we consider the relationship to be the male's achievement, so to speak, and the public response to the relationship is adjusted accordingly. This is the result of a cultural value that considers women to be trophies, prizes, and achievements; things for men to earn.

edited 31st Aug '15 10:34:52 AM by TobiasDrake

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#24161: Aug 31st 2015 at 10:43:01 AM

But exactly how would Buu catch back up?(give him a new transformation too?)
Absorb Beerus while he's weakened when Goku finally beats him. IIRC, some absorptions don't change his figure that much.

edited 31st Aug '15 10:43:50 AM by DoctorDiabolical

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#24162: Aug 31st 2015 at 10:47:52 AM

Still on the subject of shipping? Okay, does anyone have any evidence that this extended beyond a gag and the two of them really dated?

Got it for Majin Buu too. More trouble comes while Goku and Vegeta are both in universe 6. This time there are not enough available saiyans to make god so they have to make due without it. Majin Buu is the one to step up in the end, Diamond!Buu is in fact on the hero side. That's when the bizarro shadow dragon plot can happen, with Buu ending up saving the gods\Kai/afterlife system he was created to destroy.

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#24163: Aug 31st 2015 at 10:52:34 AM

Well Mai calls Trunks her boyfriend in Resurrection F for one.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
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#24165: Aug 31st 2015 at 10:55:19 AM

I remember my distinct reaction to it too when I heard it; I went from a small chuckle at the Continuity Nod to cringing like hell at the Fridge Horror.

"hehehh-oooooooohhhhhh"

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#24166: Aug 31st 2015 at 10:58:06 AM

-shudder-

And they haven't fixed that in over a year.

edited 31st Aug '15 10:58:36 AM by BaconManiac5000

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#24167: Aug 31st 2015 at 11:14:13 AM

She told a homicidal alien glaring at her in rage that he should be worried about her boyfriend. An obvious reference to Trunks but I really think it was part of an on going gag, rather than a highlight of how cute them dating is.

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#24169: Aug 31st 2015 at 11:27:26 AM

It's only a gag if there's a punchline. This is a Continuity Nod referencing the continued existence of a relationship established in the previous film.

Even if it were a gag, being a gag does not preclude it from reflecting the story's status quo or the intended audience reaction to it. Gags do not spring out of thin air, they play on what already exists within the source, and their comedy is derived from the audience's preconceived opinions thereof.

When a Distressed Damsel confidently remarks to the threat that her boyfriend is going to beat it up, it works because the audience knows who the boyfriend is. It's a classic superhero moment. Lois Lane gloats to Lex Luthor that Superman's going to come here and wreck his shit, then Superman wrecks his shit, then Superman and Lois make out over Lex's broken form.

The point of these scenes is the Heartwarming notion that Lois has so much faith in her boyfriend's amazing prowess that she feels absolutely no peril; she knows that love and superpowers will conquer all. It can be funny, but only because we're laughing with Lois at the notion that her life could ever truly be threatened.

Played for Laughs is not the universal justification for Unfortunate Implications or, worse, Unfortunate Deliberately Stated Comments, no matter how frequently people try to use it as such.

edited 31st Aug '15 11:30:41 AM by TobiasDrake

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#24170: Aug 31st 2015 at 11:38:06 AM

That moment that you realize that Whis is the first and only person to train Vegeta on-screen compared to the leagues of trainers Goku has had.

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#24171: Aug 31st 2015 at 11:52:01 AM

I already noticed that. Goku's outright criticized Vegeta's training methods before(not that Vegeta changed or anything)

Piccolo, on the other hand, was actually keeping up with Goku despite that same lack of trainers, at least until transformations expanded beyond looking at a full moon, because Piccolo>Vegeta.

You know, I'm wondering why TOEI is even bother reanimating Battle Of Gods and Revival Of F. I suppose the expanded plot points are nice, but they've amounted to Beerus destroying planets callously? We already know he does that, the whole point of Battle Of Gods was Goku's miraculous ability to make friends and the fact that nothing substantial was destroyed when Beerus woke up because of him(Goku did the most by putting a whole in King Kai's planet)

I'd have just gone forward with new plot points and broadcast Battle Of Gods on television when the time came for those events, then got back to new content until it was time to broadcast Revival Of F.

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#24172: Aug 31st 2015 at 12:08:49 PM

The point of Super WAS to redo Bo G and R'F' while showing two new characters, Chanpa and '3% more feminine Whis', doing sneaky things behind the scenes but the anime kinda failed by NOT INTRODUCING THEM.

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#24173: Aug 31st 2015 at 12:29:09 PM

Because, IMO, he never felt like one in that movie.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought that. I was underwhelmed when watching Ro F just because of how lax Goku and Vegeta were treating Freeza's invasion.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#24174: Aug 31st 2015 at 12:47:13 PM

We already know he does that, the whole point of Battle Of Gods was Goku's miraculous ability to make friends and the fact that nothing substantial was destroyed when Beerus woke up because of him(Goku did the most by putting a whole in King Kai's planet)

Amazing, first Vegeta causes more collateral damage than the Androids, then Goku causes more damage than Beerus.

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#24175: Aug 31st 2015 at 1:02:37 PM

[up][up]Can you blame them? No one Freiza could bring would have been a match for Earth's fighters except for maybe Shishami, Freiza outright states Gohan would have been enough to wipe out his forces, and Freiza himself was only a threat because of Goku and Vegeta's Saiyan Pride requiring them to fight world ending nightmares solo.


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