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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#24051: Aug 29th 2015 at 4:22:29 PM

The other three wishes became the    nnnnnnnnnnnegative energy    that Syn uses.

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#24052: Aug 29th 2015 at 4:28:01 PM

Having some balls spawn more dragons makes sense. How exactly does King Piccolo's wish for his youth and power make one the "brother" to the wish to restore Freeza's victims?

Thinking about the potential for GT's concepts is a lot more fun than discussing it's flaws.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#24053: Aug 29th 2015 at 4:33:16 PM

I'm finding myself partial to the Gohan passed the Mystic power up to Pan theory myself.

Speaking of which, name another character you'd like to see undergo that particular power up.

Doesn't have to be a Saiyan either.

edited 29th Aug '15 4:39:10 PM by HandsomeRob

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#24054: Aug 29th 2015 at 4:39:46 PM

That would be incredibly nonsensical even by this series' standards. That power up simply made all of Gohan's power available to him in his base form. I have no idea how you'd pass that on.

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#24057: Aug 29th 2015 at 4:44:35 PM

[up][up][up]Simple, just have Old Kai do the same thing to Pan, with the hand wave that she also has an ungodly amount of potential within her.

edited 29th Aug '15 4:44:56 PM by LSBK

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#24059: Aug 29th 2015 at 4:56:43 PM

I mean, I could see it altering him on a spiritual level, which meant that Pan was born with the same abilities.

So she doesn't necessarily have her potential unlocked but she always has the Ultimate perks. but then no Super Saiyan Pan.tongue

@Anom Yeah, I think I touched up on that.

One thing that makes it interesting is that theoretically if all wishes were selfish you'd get a bunch of good Dragons. Deliberately achieving that WOULD be abusing the balls, in the best way ever. The heroes all wish for selfish yet helpful shit, a bunch of dragons come out and help them defend Earth. Min-maxing for the win.

Although, there's a way to make that maybe work - if the "positive dragons" were the intend all along. Using a system of Karma, if the Dragon Balls were used for evil, righteous dragons would be born that punished the users. But due to duality, this feature actually made shadow dragons also a possibility.

You'd still have to come up with good excuses for people to know this without it coming up earlier, though. But it at least makes the balls sound more balanced rather than just leaning toward punishing the good.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#24060: Aug 29th 2015 at 5:03:59 PM

I think we actually did discuss that a long time ago, the idea of good dragons being created to reprimand humanity for their selfish use of the Dragon Balls, but it creates a glaring Morton's Fork. Either way the Dragons aren't going to like you.

edited 29th Aug '15 5:05:30 PM by Anomalocaris20

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#24061: Aug 29th 2015 at 5:04:03 PM

[up] Yeah, the wish to restore all Frieza's victims, which brought forth the biggest, baddest dragon, was made by Popo himself. Given he, y'know, created the dragon, wouldn't you think he'd know better?

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#24062: Aug 29th 2015 at 5:04:24 PM

I still say the Dragon is just a dick that punished them for their nice wishes.

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#24063: Aug 29th 2015 at 5:06:49 PM

Shenron is just mad that those assholes are constantly bothering him. Before, he was summoned like one in a century if that, but ever since Bulma made the Dragon Radar, he can't even take a nap without being summoned to revive Krillin again.

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#24064: Aug 29th 2015 at 5:07:20 PM

[up][up][up][up] Yeah. You could just say it wasn't designed that way, and it's how the Dragons themselves operate. Then you'd need one of the (non-Shadow) Dragons to actually explain it.

edited 29th Aug '15 5:07:30 PM by Saiga

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#24065: Aug 29th 2015 at 5:11:10 PM

The idea of having both good and evil dragons does have merit, actually. I kinda like the premise, and it works if you consider the measure be implemented by a then young and inexperienced Kami who didn't think it through all the way and didn't expect the Evil Dragons part of it.

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#24066: Aug 29th 2015 at 5:11:53 PM

True, it doesn't have to be an element of every set of balls.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#24067: Aug 29th 2015 at 5:15:18 PM

Shadow Porungas would look pretty terrifying.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#24068: Aug 29th 2015 at 5:15:27 PM

I'd imagine it wouldn't be part of Guru's balls.

Yes, yes, I realized the moment I wrote it, bear with it.

Anyway, I imagine he never would put in such a feature because he'd never expect his children to misuse the Dragon Balls.

But it does sound like it'd be better if the Nameless Namekian had been the one to do it.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#24069: Aug 29th 2015 at 5:16:33 PM

He doesn't even haaaaave those!

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#24070: Aug 29th 2015 at 5:20:36 PM

I'd imagine it wouldn't be part of Guru's balls.

~Opens mouth to speak~

Yes, yes, I realized the moment I wrote it, bear with it.

Damn. Maybe next time.tongue

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#24071: Aug 29th 2015 at 5:21:35 PM

Guru's wizened balls do not tempt the dragons, unlike God's youthful ones.

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#24072: Aug 29th 2015 at 5:25:02 PM

While I still think it was a dumb choice to use as a shadow dragon spawn, I just thought of one for youth and power, a really obvious one I should kick myself for. An infant dragon.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#24073: Aug 29th 2015 at 5:28:46 PM

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That does sound cool.

Oh. Someone asked how A fusion of two 17's can be so powerful, but it's likely that Machine Mutant 17 was much stronger than regular 17 (via Myuu's superior tech) so he probably made up the bulk of it's power.

The better question, is how do you build an android in hell, where's there's probably no machinery?

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#24074: Aug 29th 2015 at 5:35:16 PM

You don't want to know how many dicks he had to suck to get those machine parts from other prisoners.

Literally and figuratively.

edited 29th Aug '15 5:35:38 PM by Anomalocaris20

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#24075: Aug 29th 2015 at 5:37:34 PM

"jokes on them, this isn't even my real mouth... somehow"


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