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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#23551: Aug 21st 2015 at 2:01:19 PM

I have a suspicion that Krillin's power beams are more powerful than he is himself. One of them oneshotted all but one of the Saibamen despite the power difference not being that big, and both Nappa and second-form Frieza were afraid of the Kienzan.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#23552: Aug 21st 2015 at 2:23:25 PM

The Kiezan doesn't rely on power due to it's nature as a cutting attack.

The reason Frieza and Nappa had to dodge it is because if it hit them, regardless of their greater power, they would have been cut like bitches.

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#23553: Aug 21st 2015 at 2:25:24 PM

Frieza was cut like bitches. He lost his tail to the kienzan.

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#23554: Aug 21st 2015 at 2:25:38 PM

Cell on the other hand was like "Pfft, Kienzan, that shit won't work on me."

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#23555: Aug 21st 2015 at 2:26:37 PM

That's because Cell can regenerate.

The kienzan shattering on his neck is filler.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#23556: Aug 21st 2015 at 2:29:07 PM

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Huh. Didn't think about the whole regeneration thing.

Then again, Buu did the same, and we know Cell can survive losing his head.

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#23557: Aug 21st 2015 at 2:29:30 PM

Oh come on, that scene was so cool! Don't be like "hurr durr it was a filler, and in this house don't tolerate deviations like that!"

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#23558: Aug 21st 2015 at 2:32:04 PM

......

But that's how it's always been.

Unless you want to acknowledge Tien, Yamcha, and Chiaotzu beating the Ginyus as well?

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#23559: Aug 21st 2015 at 2:38:58 PM

Oh god, I forgot about that.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#23560: Aug 21st 2015 at 2:43:22 PM

I'd be able to overlook the Kienzan thing just because it being able to cut through anything or anyone no matter how powerful never sat right with me. I'm not going to debate that it's cannon, just saying it just straight up not working on Cell is more believable filler than those three taking out the Ginyus (even if I did really enjoy that episode).

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#23561: Aug 21st 2015 at 2:53:58 PM

And then Gohan catches them like nothing.

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#23562: Aug 21st 2015 at 2:55:04 PM

[up][up][up]Or Yamcha being able to beat up people in the otherworld that Pikkon, who is stronger than Cell, struggled with.

edited 21st Aug '15 2:55:15 PM by Anomalocaris20

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#23564: Aug 21st 2015 at 3:02:12 PM

Yeah I don't remember that happening.

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#23565: Aug 21st 2015 at 3:18:53 PM

I can accept both the Kienzan breaking and the humans beating the Ginyus. The former because Kienzan being able to cut through absolutely anything seems very iffy to me in spite of the great power disparity between the user and affected targets.

The latter because King Kai's training is beast, and because in the end they didn't even end up doing the damage that Vegeta did to Recoome at a PL of around 30,000. They kept up with them and knocked 'em off the arena. Is that really a stretch for power-gain by Dragon Ball standards?

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#23566: Aug 21st 2015 at 3:20:05 PM

Someone settle an extremely minor dispute: are Genki and Ki the same thing?

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#23567: Aug 21st 2015 at 3:30:15 PM

Nope.

Ki is the energy the characters regularly use. The Genki-Dama absorbs a different kind of energy generated by everything; not just animals, but trees, rocks, and even the sun produce genki.

edited 21st Aug '15 3:30:49 PM by TobiasDrake

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#23568: Aug 21st 2015 at 3:32:00 PM

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From an interview with Toriyama in the Super Exciting Guide: Story Volume:

Q:What is the key to winning in battle?

A:In battle, the most important thing is the size of your ki, and your control over it. Ki as a concept of course includes such spiritual powers as energy (genki), courage (yūki), and right-mindedness (shōki)note . No matter how much you train, there are limits to physical strength, and the only way to overcome that is through ki. I think Goku was able to approach the mightiest warriors in the universe through strengthening his ki.

TL;DR version: No, apparently.

edited 21st Aug '15 3:32:29 PM by Cag

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#23569: Aug 21st 2015 at 4:00:13 PM

So I finally watched Super episodes 5 and 6.

My thoughts:

  • Man, I know everyone said they had shit animation for these eps, and there was that one bit shown in a gif in a previous post, but I'm sure that I won't really not.....

0_0;

Wow. That's awful. Not even I can miss how bad it is. The people responsible should be beaten.

  • They left out Bingo. That's even worse.

Otherwise, I had no problem with either.

Goku sensing he needed to pull back, despite not being able to sense Godly Ki was interesting. Nobody can say he doesn't have sharp instincts.

Next week (well, this sunday really), Beerus slaps a lot of bitches.

edited 21st Aug '15 4:00:32 PM by HandsomeRob

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#23570: Aug 21st 2015 at 4:06:20 PM

Anyone else confused by Chanpa and '3% more feminine' Whis not showing up in the anime yet?

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#23571: Aug 21st 2015 at 5:44:57 PM

Raditz' 1500 does make sense. Notably, when he commented on Gohan's 1,307 he said it was stronger than Goku not himself. The fact that he could be killed by an attack of 1,330 doesn't make him weaker than that level especially when the Makankosappo is noted to have additional piercing strength.

Toguro was Frieza.

In his powers, but in his motives he was more like Perfect Cell. He combines the worst of both characters, really.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#23572: Aug 21st 2015 at 6:38:13 PM

By the way, one more comment of Vegeta actually being a decent husband and father. It's really several times more hilarious with the more recent revelations about Saiyan "families" - namely, casual sex to prolong the race, grow the kids in tanks and ship them out conquering for the PTO as soon as they can walk. So here's Vegeta, Mr. Saiyan Pride himself... and he's a normal Earth dad. That is, in my view, an absolute laugh-riot.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#23573: Aug 21st 2015 at 6:40:11 PM

Well, planet Vegeta was blown up before Vegeta was old enough to experience any of that lifestyle anyway. Earth's culture is one he probably knows better than his own at this point.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#23574: Aug 21st 2015 at 6:48:22 PM

And I still wouldn't call Vegeta a "normal" dad.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#23575: Aug 21st 2015 at 6:58:07 PM

[up] He pressures his son to take up martial arts, yeah, but since that's the dominant sport in DB-land is he really that different from your standard overbearing baseball dad?


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