The Kaio-ken x100 comes from one of the movie pamphlets or some sort of anime guidebook, Slug was also stated to be stronger than Freeza in one of those.
Also, he was killed by a Spirit Bomb powered by the Sun. Kaio warns Goku about using it that way because it amplifies the power.
Aaand Gohan was a Super Saiyan 2 in movie 10. The movie sketches show a clear difference, and when he passes out you see him go down from SS2 to SS1 before going to base.
Been trying to look up stuff regarding Slug's power level, Goku's Kaioken use, ect. As far as I can tell Goku was using the regular x2 Kaioken, and the estimates of Slug's power tend to range from 200,000 or so to around Frieza's 2nd form. But if what you say has official precedence, I secede to it.
And that's interesting, I couldn't tell if Gohan was 1 or 2 against Broly. I have trouble telling those forms apart, truthfully... at least 3 has the unmistakable hair and browline.
With Cell Games Gohan, it's easy to tell SSJ 1 from 2, even without electric aura.
Buu Gohan not so much.
The same is true for Goku. SSJ1
◊ SSJ2
Then in GT: SSJ1
◊ and SSJ2
◊
I thought GT Trunks was an SSJ 2 for a long time because once he did have the electric aura but apparently not.
edited 6th Apr '13 11:38:52 PM by Nikkolas
No, he used False Super Saiyan to beat down regular Slug, which faded. Then he used Kaio-ken x100 after Slug went giant.
@Anom SS1 and 2 are so similar that even Toriyama forgot, and assumed SS3 was actually 2 when he came back to work on BoG.
@Nik To make things even more confusing, the sparks might not actually be related to SS2 at all.
Well it's not exclusive to them - I believe Nappa had an electric aura.
But still, I figured the fact Super Perfect Cell came back with one to indicate that it was definitely a hallmark of SS 2.
Ignoring Nappa, I think it was just meant to be a hallmark of that level of power. Toriyama drew SS1 Goku and Vegeta with that aura in Neko Majin Z, which could mean that they got to that level in the 10 years after Boo. And we've got SS 2 Gohan without the sparks at a view points, as well as SS2 Vegeta without sparks when he's exhausted fighting with Goku.
Yeah, aside from the sparks the only other aesthetic difference I notice is slight changes to the hair, like it sticking up higher or being slightly longer... But even those are inconsistent. Sometimes 1 sticks up like 2, and sometimes 2 isn't much different from 1...
And of course for Movie 10 Gohan, it's compounded by the fact that his hair is too short to really tell if it's 1 or 2.
edited 6th Apr '13 11:55:29 PM by Anomalocaris20
You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!Well there ya go.
And I just thought of something on the topic of movie villain power levels - Garlic Jr. jumped up a lot in power thanks to his filler arc, right? I forget what he accomplished there but he must have been stronger than his Movie 1 self who was only a bit stronger than Start of Z Goku and Piccolo.
edited 7th Apr '13 12:35:33 AM by Nikkolas
Movie 4 is pretty much the pinnacle of Toei not giving a fuck about integrity. They rehash the Piccolo Daimao arc in the most blatant way possible, finish the movie with the third Spirit Bomb in a row, and have the stones to come design Super Saiyan themselves before Toriyama got the chance to introduce his.
Yeah I'm not looking forward to that one on my DBZ movie gauntlet.
Getting back to Turles though, he's at 600.000 something. As far as I know, there are no characters in the 600,000s. Freeza went from 500.000 something to over a million which is obviously out of Turles' league.
So what if Turles fought base Freeza and the Vegeta who was around base Freeza's level? (he was around Freeza's level right? I recall them briefly scuffling before Vegeta was a dumbass and told Freeza to transform)
But ya know, you would think only a few thousand would make a world of difference. Nappa had about 4K on Tien and he was able to -punch off- Tien's arm when he tried to defend himself. If there is a gap of 10,000 or more, the fight should be over in one blow.
edited 7th Apr '13 2:42:53 AM by Nikkolas
Nappa only had about 2k on Tenshinhan. But still, it's about proportion. Nappa was more than double Tenshinhan so being able to do that isn't surprising.
And as you pointed out, Tullece would only be 300,000 before the second fruit and there's no telling how strong he was after that.
Vegeta against Freeza was only 250,000. And he told Freeza to transform because he reasoned that they couldn't stop him anyway, so it was better for them to take transformed Freeza on from the beginning rather than drawing the battle out.
Vegeta was only 250K? The anime was sorely misleading. They didn't fight long but the definite impression I got (having just rewatched the clip) was that they were near equals.
Oh well then.
Anyway, Turles was about Goku's level so ~30,000. Then a single fruit enabled him to lolstomp a Kaioken x 10 Goku at 300,000. I guess I'm just trying to keep the math simple and multiplying it by 2 but I guess that doesn't work. Bah.
And Nappa only had 2K on Tien? I thought Nappa was 5,000. My bad.
They fought in the anime? I don't remember that at all. They had a little grapple in the manga but I didn't know they added more in the anime.
And yeah not gonna lie, I remember very little about Tullece's abilities before the first fruit. If one made him 10x stronger, then I guess the next might do the same? Which would mean he'd be about 3,000,000... pretty beastly.

Wait, he used a Kaioken x100? Sheesh, I didn't remember that. And yet he still gets blown up by a Spirit Bomb, while Turles No-Sell'd Goku's first Spirit Bomb.
Also, I thought Gohan was only Super Saiyan 1 against Broly, not Super Saiyan 2. Not to mention being weaker than he was in the Cell Saga due to not practicing.
edited 6th Apr '13 11:12:29 PM by Anomalocaris20
You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!