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Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#2301: Apr 6th 2013 at 11:20:58 AM

Is that really how it happened? I seem to remember some other guys were there...with spiky golden hair...

Maybe I'm just remembering a fanfic.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#2302: Apr 6th 2013 at 11:33:51 AM

That was the censored version of the Cell Games, this is it uncut.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#2303: Apr 6th 2013 at 2:02:17 PM

So I hope nobody minds if I have a sort of running commentary as I watch the DBZ movies.

You can do it, Chi Chi! You have a power level of 130! That's pretty impressive...for 3 arcs ago.

Yep, down she goes.

It's very jarring that Chuck Huber uses his Pilaf/Crane Hermit voice for Garlic. I mean, Garlic is SUPPOSED to be a serious villain.

I forgot how positively adorable littlest Gohan was. I think it's the hat and tail.

So that makes two characters who get pissed on by a member of the Son family. I wonder if there will be anymore.

And the highlight of that movie was Gohan trippin' dragon balls.

Overall Score: Forgettable/10.

edited 6th Apr '13 2:49:42 PM by Nikkolas

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#2304: Apr 6th 2013 at 3:16:54 PM

So I just watched Episode of Bardock and I'm somewhat confused by the ending.

Is Bardock supposed to be the Super Saiyan from the legends and the progenitor of the entire Saiyan race? That's...odd.

Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#2305: Apr 6th 2013 at 3:34:57 PM

Isn't the Super Saiyan of legend supposed to go insane with power? He destroyed everything - including himself.

That's why I figured Movie 8 existed - Broly not only has the title, his personality fits the bill.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#2306: Apr 6th 2013 at 3:40:06 PM

I thought that's what happened which is partly why Bardock being it confuses me. If he does go insane wouldn't he have destroyed Planet Plant?

Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#2307: Apr 6th 2013 at 5:54:24 PM

So I will watch Movie 2 but I skipped to 3 because I was interested in it.

Turles is voiced by Chris Patton. YES.

Also this exchange:

Goku: I raised [Gohan] to know the difference between good and evil! Unlike some people...

Turles: I know the difference - I just don't care.

Awesome.

So to make this movie fit in any sort of logical timeline, I can only assume Freeza never went to Namek. Gohan, Krillin and Bulma went there and got teh balls and wished everyone back and then returned home.

Okay maybe it doesn't work but that's my best shot at it.

Also for some reason the dub skips over any mention of power levels. Subs are automatically on though and I'm pretty sure it had Turles' scouter reading Goku's PL at 30,000 and rising. Then he used a Kaioken x 20. So that's at least 600,000 right?

Turles after eating a fruit owned him though so Turles' PL is way higher than 600,000? That's pretty interesting.

Goku was also concerned about Great Ape Oozaru Gohan being hit by regular Turles' energy blast. Gohan had a PL of 10.000 I believe so he was at 100,000. So normal Turles is ~100K?

edited 6th Apr '13 6:17:40 PM by Nikkolas

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#2308: Apr 6th 2013 at 6:16:47 PM

Yeah, Turles is STRONG relative to the general power level of the time. I think the movie is set before the trip to Namek, too.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#2309: Apr 6th 2013 at 6:20:43 PM

Well it can't be before they go to Namek because all the humans are alive.

Piccolo was read at about 18,000 I think? I read that part on the DB Wiki. Training under King Kai could have potentially brought him to that level.

But yeah, Turles could stomp the Ginyu Force or base Freeza. Above 600,000 is unfathomable for that time.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#2310: Apr 6th 2013 at 6:23:30 PM

I think the movie is meant to take place while they were training for the Androids. What about it makes you think they never went to Namek?

Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#2311: Apr 6th 2013 at 6:26:27 PM

Well Gohan still has his Namek haircut and Piccolo's outfit.

Plus Goku's power level is only 30.000. Base Goku was zillions of times stronger than that by the Android Saga.

And on the power levels discussion, Goku only used Kaioken x 10 in the original. Funi changed it to x20. So he was 300.000. Nevertheless, Turles ate a second fruit so he should still be well above 600,000 at his best.

edited 6th Apr '13 6:27:09 PM by Nikkolas

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#2312: Apr 6th 2013 at 6:29:23 PM

Honestly I'd chalk that up to it being out before the Namek saga finished rather than it taking place before that saga or Goku never visiting Namek.

Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#2313: Apr 6th 2013 at 6:35:00 PM

Well it's like Vegeta said - "this is so non-canon it hurts."

I was just having fun trying to put it in the timeline.

I can tell you that Movie 8 causes all kinds of confusion, especially since everyone wants to figure out just how strong Broly is.

"Trunks had long-hair!"

"But Goku and Gohan weren't Super Saiyan all the time so they weren't Full Power Super Saiyan!"

Most would agree it's obviously set right before teh Cell Games but not everyone.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#2314: Apr 6th 2013 at 6:39:47 PM

I think Tree of Might is post-Saiyan-pre-Namek, but with the what-if of everyone surviving.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#2315: Apr 6th 2013 at 6:42:51 PM

If everyone survives then why would they go to Namek at all? Also Yamcha has the King Kai symbol on his GI indicating he trained with him.

You know I should rewatch these movies again. I vaguely remember seeing a fair amount but I can't remember specifics on many of them.

edited 6th Apr '13 6:44:22 PM by Kostya

Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#2316: Apr 6th 2013 at 6:50:14 PM

I liked Tree of Might a fair bit. It was certainly a lot better than Dead Zone.

And I still vouch for the pants-less Saiyan armor being the best. Turles makes it work really well.

I'll watch Movie 2 in a bit. If TFS is anything to go by though..it looks really bad.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#2317: Apr 6th 2013 at 6:52:12 PM

The stuff about the original Super Saiyan destroying himself was filler.

I think movie 3 fits in a timeline where Goku arrives in time to save everybody (except Yamcha, who has Kaio's symbol on his gi) against Nappa and Vegeta so the Namek trip didn't happen.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#2318: Apr 6th 2013 at 6:59:32 PM

I still prefer it happening after Namek while they were training for the Androids but I suppose it doesn't really matter.

That was a busy four years though if you think all the movies that seem to happen during that time are canon.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#2319: Apr 6th 2013 at 7:01:49 PM

They aren't. Only a few movies can even fit at all without contradiction.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#2320: Apr 6th 2013 at 7:04:13 PM

Which ones would those be? Like I said, I only saw a few and that was eight or more years ago. I just know the main villains and the general details like the timeframe.

edited 6th Apr '13 7:04:41 PM by Kostya

Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#2321: Apr 6th 2013 at 7:04:29 PM

What four years? Between Namek and the Android Saga? Aren't only the Cooler movies set during that period? Cooler is Movie 5 and I know Movie 4 takes place before all of that because Goku only has "False Super Saiyan". (ingenious creation there, Toei)

Also watching Movie 2. lol @ at the opening with a group shot of all the heroes then Goku appears and totally obscures Chaotzu.

The Android Saga has Super Android 13, Broly and Bojack.

edited 6th Apr '13 7:05:58 PM by Nikkolas

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#2322: Apr 6th 2013 at 7:06:29 PM

I thought the general theory was that movies 2-5 happen during the four years when they're training for the Androids. That's the only place they can really fit since they're not on Namek and everybody is alive.

Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#2323: Apr 6th 2013 at 11:01:09 PM

So since the movies go in "order" of the timeline, does that mean each movie's villain is progressively stronger than the last one?

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#2324: Apr 6th 2013 at 11:04:36 PM

Hirudegarn is weaker than Janemba, Slug is weaker than Turles, Bio-Broly is weaker than Movie 10 Broly, who himself may or may not be weaker than Bojack. Depends on how much stronger Broly is than he was in 8, if at all.

edited 6th Apr '13 11:07:44 PM by Anomalocaris20

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#2325: Apr 6th 2013 at 11:08:17 PM

Movie 2-4 simply can't take place after Namek. They would make even less sense there than they already do.

Slug is waaaaaaay stronger than Tullece, Goku uses a Kaio-ken x100 to beat him.

[up] M10 Broli had a clear advantage over teenage SS2 Gohan while Bojack was manhandled by kid SS2 Gohan... it's pretty hard to compare them.

edited 6th Apr '13 11:09:23 PM by Saiga


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