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Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
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#23176: Aug 17th 2015 at 5:55:17 PM

Not really. The humans got a bigger boost from the training on Lookout because Kami trained the personally instead of leaving it to Popo.

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#23177: Aug 17th 2015 at 5:59:08 PM

And their power levels were higher when they were killed by Nappa than Goku's had been when he'd been killed by Piccolo.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#23178: Aug 17th 2015 at 6:15:35 PM

[up][up] And yet V-Jump said Popo's the stronger of the two.

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#23179: Aug 17th 2015 at 6:20:25 PM

I can tell you why the everyone started getting larger gains from training starting with DBZ.

As Goku said to Gohan in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber, power comes from need, not want.

Up until that point, no one needed to get the stronger. The only instance of that in Dragon Ball would be when Goku needed to get stronger in order to defeat Tao Pai Pai.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#23180: Aug 17th 2015 at 6:26:27 PM

[up][up]Just because you're stronger doesn't mean you're a better trainer.

Goku is infinitely stronger than Master Roshi, but I can assure you Master Roshi is an infinitely superior teacher.

Also of note: Goku lost a lot of time when it came to getting to King Kai's planet to begin with, and even more time due to learning Kaioken and Genkidama, which were necessary to beat Vegeta because they wouldn't have time to train Goku to match Vegeta's 18.000.

edited 17th Aug '15 6:27:48 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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#23181: Aug 17th 2015 at 6:44:29 PM

Goku trained with Kami for three years and got up to about 300.

Krillin, Tien and Yamcha trained with Kami for six months and got up to over 1000.

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#23182: Aug 17th 2015 at 9:22:41 PM

Need, not want.

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#23183: Aug 18th 2015 at 3:33:34 AM

So, I'm reading the original manga and I have a question. Why did the original Piccolo need the dragon balls if he could reincarnate at will?

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#23184: Aug 18th 2015 at 3:37:29 AM

His reincarnation is not strictly same guy, fresh body - like, say, Orochimaru. His soul and memories get passed down but you'll see that Piccolo Junior grows up differently.

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edited 18th Aug '15 3:37:50 AM by Saiga

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#23185: Aug 18th 2015 at 3:43:51 AM

But then why does he call himself the same person and how come he has the whole 'evil half of Kami' thing going as well?

I should note that the only part of the manga I hadn't really read was the Piccolo arc, so I do know that Piccolo Jr. is hardly super evil.

edited 18th Aug '15 3:46:04 AM by Arha

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#23186: Aug 18th 2015 at 3:46:43 AM

He has the link because he still has Daimao's soul. He calls himself Daimao to intimidate people. Basically riding on his papa's cred.

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#23187: Aug 18th 2015 at 3:48:14 AM

But if he has Daimao's soul AND his memories then what exactly makes him different?

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#23188: Aug 18th 2015 at 3:52:22 AM

I don't think souls dictate anything other than your afterlife.

It's more like Daimao created an egg, which would have already lead to the birth of a unique lifeform, and jammed his soul and memories inside. But it's introducing elements that weren't existent in the original Daimao.

After all, Piccolo junior is still his son, so it's not purely reincarnation.

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#23189: Aug 18th 2015 at 3:56:16 AM

I still don't see a meaningful difference. Hell, given that Namekians reproduce asexually shouldn't they even be genetically identical?

Edit: Oh the Namekians are gray again. Why do they keep changing color?

edited 18th Aug '15 3:58:32 AM by Arha

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#23190: Aug 18th 2015 at 4:04:24 AM

Because Toriyama is forgetful.

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#23191: Aug 18th 2015 at 4:06:34 AM

They change colour because sometimes Toriyama uses a limited colour palette.

As for genetics, science is heresy so I avoid it.

edited 18th Aug '15 4:07:12 AM by Saiga

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#23192: Aug 18th 2015 at 4:12:10 AM

@Arha

Presumably, a species that reproduces asexually and is that complex would eventually develop a way to diversify the end result of said reproduction to avoid uniformity. Piccolo Daimao's ability to create weird deformed demons might be the end result of his nature corrupting that. That said, most namekians do look exactly the same as each other save for their height, so... Make of that what you will.

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#23193: Aug 18th 2015 at 4:52:04 AM

It probably took more effort on King Piccolo's part.

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#23194: Aug 18th 2015 at 4:56:16 AM

Okay, Namekian magic. Got it.

Wait why didn't the Namekians use the dragon balls to revive all the guys who died in the vague environmental bad thing?

edited 18th Aug '15 5:00:09 AM by Arha

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#23195: Aug 18th 2015 at 5:04:50 AM

Because Guru's balls couldn't mass revive.

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#23196: Aug 18th 2015 at 5:06:43 AM

Oh, right. Fair point that. I forgot they had to revive Piccolo to get Shenron and then use him to resurrect the Namekians.

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#23197: Aug 18th 2015 at 5:09:57 AM

Aside from those punks Vegeta killed. They stayed dead.

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#23198: Aug 18th 2015 at 5:16:09 AM

That'll teach them to keep changing from green to gray and back.

edited 18th Aug '15 5:16:20 AM by Arha

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#23199: Aug 18th 2015 at 6:42:52 AM

They should've used the first post-Freeza Porunga wish to recharge Earth's dragon balls, and then have Shenron revive all the Namekians killed by Vegeta.

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#23200: Aug 18th 2015 at 7:05:28 AM

But if he has Daimao's soul AND his memories then what exactly makes him different?

The fact that he's a newborn being.

Think of it this way: Piccolo Daimao was half a person. Piccolo Jr. is the same half a person but in a new body undamaged by personality division. He's reclaimed all the potential for growth and development that any person has, once stunted by his existence as God's evil half.

Piccolo Daimao was limited by the fact that every ounce of capacity for good was excised from him in order to create God. Piccolo Jr. is shackled with Piccolo Daimao's celestial baggage, but is also a complete person.

  • Nameless Namekian: 1 Part Good, 1 Part Evil
  • God: 1 Part Good.
  • Piccolo Daimao: 1 Part Evil.
  • Piccolo Jr.: 2 Parts Evil, 1 Part Good.

edited 18th Aug '15 7:06:46 AM by TobiasDrake

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