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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#23126: Aug 16th 2015 at 10:02:20 PM

Realistically, all Yamcha jokes aside? I don't think he ever breached 3,000. He probably never even improved since the Saibaman fight, in fact. Tien likely never got much stronger than that either despite his continued training, because humans are worth jack and shit, and jack's dead. Humans who devote their whole life to martial arts rarely exceed the 100-200 range, and our plucky gang of normies only surpassed that thanks to training with Kami.

Krillin is the only human who significantly improved since the Saiyan fight, and only because Guru patted his shiny bald head.

edited 16th Aug '15 10:05:54 PM by Anomalocaris20

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#23127: Aug 16th 2015 at 10:04:02 PM

The others did train with King Kai, who gave Goku his first really big boost. I could see them all being stronger than him now, at least.

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#23128: Aug 16th 2015 at 10:05:22 PM

Did King Kai even train them, though?

What do we see besides them taking up room on his planetoid?

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#23129: Aug 16th 2015 at 10:15:10 PM

I'm fairly certain they say as much.

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#23130: Aug 16th 2015 at 10:30:06 PM

I do believe Tien did get stronger, just not much. Then again, wasn't it implied he's not all human?

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#23131: Aug 16th 2015 at 10:39:58 PM

I mean, their power levels were all in the 1000 range in the Saiyan Saga. Only Krillin was confirmed to get stronger after that because of his powerup on Namek.

edited 16th Aug '15 10:40:20 PM by LOLypop1224

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#23132: Aug 16th 2015 at 10:58:55 PM

Piccolo certainly seemd to think his training made him more powerful. We just never get to see that because literarally the first person he encounter on Namek is Nail.

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#23133: Aug 16th 2015 at 11:20:04 PM

We never get to see it...and because of how things played out, it really wouldn't have mattered anyway.

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#23134: Aug 17th 2015 at 5:30:38 AM

He did what everyone not Goku can do best, hold the line until Goku got better.

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#23135: Aug 17th 2015 at 6:25:39 AM

I honestly believe that all four of the main humans broke the low single-digit millions.

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#23136: Aug 17th 2015 at 6:31:14 AM

The others did train with King Kai, who gave Goku his first really big boost. I could see them all being stronger than him now, at least.

I know that was a joke but he was already above the Saibamen when he fought them. I'd say about Saiyan Saga Goku level, maybe a bit higher.

See I'm not even making fun of Yamcha there, that's just the last goalpost for him I remember - he beat a Saibaman, which Vegeta said were individually the same strength as Raditz.

Yamcha single-handedly defeated an opponent equal in strength to a being who managed to kick both Goku and Piccolo's asses single-handedly at the start of the series - with the same level of training that Goku had at that point in time (Kami). He died in the aftermath, but he still managed to pummel the thing on his own looking no worse for wear, and died because of a surprise attack/carelessness. And then Krillin took out 3 of them.

I have to account for the Saibaman having different abilities, but still, that's interesting.

edited 17th Aug '15 6:38:55 AM by Soble

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#23137: Aug 17th 2015 at 7:18:18 AM

[up][up] Honestly, I'm in the same boat that says if they didn't, they could, and it's very cynical to say in a series like DragonBall, that they couldn't.

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#23138: Aug 17th 2015 at 7:42:03 AM

Did King Kai even train them, though?

What do we see besides them taking up room on his planetoid?

We only ever see Kaio-sama's planet when he's taking time away from whatever he does in his life to telepathically communicate with our protagonists, so we don't really have a great selection to sample from. It's pretty far out-of-focus to take time away from Goku and Frieza's battle to show Kaio-sama training the humans, or away from Piccolo's fight with Android 17 to show Kaio-sama waxing his car and running joke ideas by Bubbles.

It's the kind of thing that the anime filler likes to use for material due to overtaking the manga and desperately needing to stall the plot. And, for what it's worth, the anime did use it for material in that regard, going too far the opposite direction and claiming that the humans are all now powerful enough to defeat the Ginyu Force somehow.

edited 17th Aug '15 7:42:24 AM by TobiasDrake

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#23139: Aug 17th 2015 at 7:43:40 AM

Even if they could do it, by the end of the series Tien seemed to be the only one still actively interested in getting stronger for getting stronger's sake.

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#23140: Aug 17th 2015 at 8:01:24 AM

Krillin had all of his dormant power awakened, and that only put him at 75,000.

Gohan was seven so he still had room to grow after hitting 200,000 from his awakening. Krillin was in the prime of his life, though. He doesn't have that excuse, which means 75,000 is his full potential.

I wouldn't be surprised if Tien has a greater full potential than Krillin, but he's unlikely to achieve it through mountain training and I can't imagine it would ever hit the 1 million mark anyway.

Yamcha and Chiaotzu, almost certainly not.

edited 17th Aug '15 8:01:59 AM by TobiasDrake

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#23141: Aug 17th 2015 at 8:26:31 AM

Guru and Old Kai call their powerups "unlocking potential" for two reasons. One: to sound more impressive than they are. Two: to sound more final than they are, so people don't repeatedly hit them up for more power.

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#23142: Aug 17th 2015 at 8:54:59 AM

This series is weird with the power-ups it gives, and the humans are no exception. Yamcha training with Kami makes him more powerful than Raditz (which is baffling, considering both were fearing Piccolo Jr. not too long ago), Krillin could defeat 4-5 Raditzes with the same training, Tenshinhan can still stun Cell with the Kikoho (you see, he never actually hit anybody with a two-armed Kikoho before), and a red ribbon scientist turned regular teenagers into beings stronger than Freezer... Anything works, really.

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#23143: Aug 17th 2015 at 8:57:14 AM

Krillin could defeat 4-5 Raditzes with the same training

Plus getting super-angry, plus the Kamehameha, which is significantly more powerful than its user.

Point still stands, though. Just wanted to add that note. Krillin is not equal to 4-5 Near-Raditzes but has the ability to kill them.

edited 17th Aug '15 8:57:23 AM by TobiasDrake

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#23144: Aug 17th 2015 at 9:08:55 AM

[up]Did he kill the Saibamen with the Kamehameha? I thought it was that homing beam technique he had.

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#23145: Aug 17th 2015 at 9:10:43 AM

I thought so. IIRC, that homing scatter beam is a Kamehameha variant. I may be misremembering, however.

It's a demonstration of Krillin's expertise in ki manipulation, similar to his invention of the Kienzan. It doesn't get a lot of focus due to his secondary character status, but Krillin is amazing at bending ki blasts.

edited 17th Aug '15 9:13:05 AM by TobiasDrake

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#23146: Aug 17th 2015 at 9:19:41 AM

People often forget how good a PL of 75,000 is. By the end of Namek Krillin was stronger than every villain except Frieza and Captain Ginyu (and likely King Cold). He's legitimately one of the strongest mortals to ever live... and you wouldn't know it because the gap between him and the next people up is absurd.

Heck, second-form Frieza, who was thirteen times stronger, was afraid of the Kienzan.

edited 17th Aug '15 9:28:20 AM by HamburgerTime

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#23147: Aug 17th 2015 at 9:38:43 AM

With a powerlevel of 75.000 and everyone stronger than that concentrated on one planet, Krillin is effectively strong enough to take over the entire rest of the universe. The only problem he'd face would be the Kaioshin. Beerus would give zero fucks. Same with Whis. And hell, the Kaioshin let Freeza be, so they'd probably leave him be too.

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#23148: Aug 17th 2015 at 9:39:55 AM

Quite.

Captain aside, the Ginyu Force were the most powerful warriors in the entire universe, second only to Frieza, with battle powers between 40,000 and 60,000, and that's only because they're mutants with absurdly high battle powers that are not indicative of the general battle power of the universe's finest warriors.

Nail is the greatest warrior of Planet Namek - a planet with a substantially higher average power than Earth - and has also had his potential unlocked by Guru, and he's only 42,000.

18,000 was an abnormally high battle power even for the Saiyan warrior race, high enough to qualify as a super-elite and beat out their king.

Krillin's 75,000 is phenomenally high. He is inconceivably powerful, but gets overlooked because of Goku and Vegeta.

edited 17th Aug '15 9:41:01 AM by TobiasDrake

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#23149: Aug 17th 2015 at 9:56:42 AM

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#23150: Aug 17th 2015 at 10:22:33 AM

Would be interesting to know if Ginyu being the second-strongest mortal counted King Cold or not though.


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